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From "Sterin, Ilya" <>
Subject RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Date Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:56:01 GMT
30*3000 is more than your whole entire career earnings?  Where are you from?
India? Russia?

In US that's an average developer contract salary, and $30/hour is a charge
that most contractors will laugh at here.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: 3/27/03 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?

These are USD per HOUR?

Crikey! You could retire after a couple of years on that!
Nah that cant be right. I did a bit under 3000 hours last year, multiply
30 and convert to local currency adds up to more than Ive earned in my
working life (4+ years). A lot more...

Are those fair dinkum rates or are you just having us on?

Five weeks holiday??? OT pay???

Yeh. Thought so. Its a joke. hehe. You had me going there mate!

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Kelly []
Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?

These are some going full time rates for a London based e-learning
for an average of 1880 hrs worked in one year (Five weeks holiday not
included in the figures, but you'd get the same rate).  The company pays
on projects that need it, but actually limit the number of hours in a
that an employee can be in the office. (Something about a work/life
whatver than means :-)

All in US dollars (converted from blighty pounds)

Grade one (Whipping boy) - 30$
Grade two (Code monkey) - 40$
Grade three (Designer) - 55$
Grade four (Architect) - 90$
Grade five (Senior Architect) - 150$

These don't include the options and bonuses (last xmas bonus ranged from
500$ to 6000$) and the OT isn't in there (Usually 1.5*hourly
week-day/sat --
2*hourly sun).

Contractor have to pay all the insurance and stuff, so I'd dap about
on top of each of these + a little extra if your gonna have to live in
expensive part of town.

NOTE to the lawer.  It only becomes illegal if it can be proven that we
set a level of pay *and* have all agreed to follow this level.  If
been on here long enough, you'd know *noone* ever agrees about

Good luck with the job, I hear California is nice this time of year!!



----- Original Message -----
From: "Micael" <>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <>;
Users Mailing List'" <>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?

> I hope you know that my prior response that the lawyer should be fired
> not aimed at you, Tammy.  I appreciate your assistance.  I think it is
> really funny, however, that a lawyer would actually associate what we
> doing with antitrust behavior.  Heck, I feel bigger and better
> now.  LOL!  That lawyer needs to get the tune to match the lyrics.
> At 08:49 PM 3/26/03 -0800, Tammy Cravit wrote:
> > > general landscape well (Tomcat, Struts, Ant, etc., etc., with
> > > scripting, various databases, etc.).  What would a reasonable
> > > be?  Thanks.
> >
> >First of all, I would caution about asking questions like this on a
> >mailing list, as the discussion of hourly rates and stuff came up on
> >another list I belong to and the moderators there obtained an opinion
> >from a lawyer that discussing pricing in terms of specific dollar
> >amounts in a group like this could be deemed price-fixing by the
> >which is illegal.
> >
> >That having been said, one common rule of thumb seems to be to divide
> >your annual salary as an employee by 1000, and using that as a
> >point for figuring out your hourly rate. Obviously you'd need to
> >that for your local market, but that's not a bad starting point.
> >
> >Tammy
> >
> >
> >
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