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From "David Graham" <dgraham1...@hotmail.com>
Subject RE: [OT] JavaScript Debugger For Client-Side Validation
Date Tue, 01 Apr 2003 05:37:54 GMT
It seems to me that if you're doing all this fancy DHTML you wouldn't be 
forced to use degenerate browsers.  Who uses Netscape 6 anyways?  I agree 
with all your complaints about it.  I don't understand why Netscape even 
exists anymore when there's the far superior Mozilla.

David



>From: "Andrew Hill" <andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com>
>Reply-To: <andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com>
>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>Subject: RE: [OT] JavaScript Debugger For Client-Side Validation
>Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:31:23 +0800
>
>The problems and annoyances I get with Netscrap6 arent so much javascript
>problems but due to its numerous bugs - especially in the DOM stuff. For
>example:
>
>Fields that arent submitted because the element is display: none (fixed in
>mozilla but the netscape crew refused to fix it in 6 despite having a patch
>because of their 'rush to market') which makes doing collapsing widgets,
>tabpanes and such like a nighmare. (This one really bugs me as I have to
>support NS6 and this really stuffs things up. Had to put code branching in
>numerous places so that non-ns6 users wont have to put up with the poor
>quality widgets that I have to implement to make the app functional in 6!
>http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34297 - to get a widget working
>in IE and mozilla is a few hours, then another 3 or 4 to find a way of 
>doing
>the degraded NS6 version. (which given I estimate our total number of NS6
>users will be somewhere in the order of 0 its kinda painful) )
>
>Tons of css stuff that simply isnt implemented properly if at all,
>Crashes when you try to use removeChild() on a node,
>Crashes if you leave it running overnight,
>Crashes on exit most times,
>Crashes when mercury is aligned with neptune,
>etc...
>
>..and it is very very sloooooow and heavy (even when you switch off its 
>ugly
>skins)
>
>Mozilla on the other hand is not too bad at all and most things work in it 
>-
>and where they dont its cos I was following IE and not the standards.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kwok Peng Tuck [mailto:pengtuck@makmal.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:38
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [OT] JavaScript Debugger For Client-Side Validation
>
>
>I had that same problem once. I fixed it by getting the developer guide
>from Netscape and wrote my javascript to their
>spec. Then my javascript for ie and netscape as well as mozilla worked.
>The javascript was a simple script to transfer the
>contents of one multiple select box to another.
>
>Andrew Hill wrote:
>
> >I find I have to spend *ages* doing wierd workarounds and hacks for 
>simple
> >things that work fine in IE and Mozilla but are completely broken in
> >Netscape 6... Thank heavens I dont need to support 4.x
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Niesen, Nathan [mailto:nathan.niesen@objectfx.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 03:38
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [OT] JavaScript Debugger For Client-Side Validation
> >
> >
> >You guys can bash IE all you want but until about 6 months ago IE and
> >Netscape 4.7 were the only games in town for hard-core DTHML 
>applications.
> >Being standards compliant is worthless if the standards don't contain the
> >features you need. Mozilla and Opera finally figured that out and started
> >providing some real competition. The new wave of browsers (Phoenix 0.5,
> >Netscape 7.0, and Opera 7.01) will finally have a shot at reducing IE's
> >market share. I still spend the majority of my time working around bugs 
>and
> >quirks in the non-IE browsers but gap the is finally shrinking.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From: 	Dan Allen [mailto:dan@mojavelinux.com]
> >Sent:	Monday, March 31, 2003 12:00 PM
> >To:	Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject:	Re: [OT] JavaScript Debugger For Client-Side Validation
> >
> >MOZILLA!  There isn't a person I have introduced to mozilla, both
> >microsoft lovers and haters alike, that do not swear by mozilla now.
> >If tab browsing, dom inspector, javascript console or javascript
> >debugger doesn't catch your interest, then you are just not
> >interested in software.  Mozilla rocks.  I rest my case.
> >
> >Dan
> >
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