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From "Andrew Hill" <>
Subject RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?
Date Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:02:48 GMT
Half right. :-)

I guess low is a distinctly relative term. Especially when comparing apples & oranges
(or salary & contract) ;->.

Rates here may be low compared to US or UK contract rates (are they really so high?  - still
have trouble believing those figures!), but as for those in India, Russia, etc... they would
get a fraction of the going rate here, and there are probably folk doing the same stuff elsewhere
who get even less. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Barr []
Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 07:44
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?

Yeah, but we both (i think Andrew is an Aussie) live in Australia. Land of low wages 


On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 06:26, Sterin, Ilya wrote: 
30*3000 is more than your whole entire career earnings?  Where are you from?
India? Russia?

In US that's an average developer contract salary, and $30/hour is a charge
that most contractors will laugh at here.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: 3/27/03 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?

These are USD per HOUR?

Crikey! You could retire after a couple of years on that!
Nah that cant be right. I did a bit under 3000 hours last year, multiply
30 and convert to local currency adds up to more than Ive earned in my
working life (4+ years). A lot more...

Are those fair dinkum rates or are you just having us on?

Five weeks holiday??? OT pay???

Yeh. Thought so. Its a joke. hehe. You had me going there mate!

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Kelly []
Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Contract Work: Going Rate?

These are some going full time rates for a London based e-learning
for an average of 1880 hrs worked in one year (Five weeks holiday not
included in the figures, but you'd get the same rate).  The company pays
on projects that need it, but actually limit the number of hours in a
that an employee can be in the office. (Something about a work/life
whatver than means :-)

All in US dollars (converted from blighty pounds)

Grade one (Whipping boy) - 30$
Grade two (Code monkey) - 40$
Grade three (Designer) - 55$
Grade four (Architect) - 90$
Grade five (Senior Architect) - 150$

These don't include the options and bonuses (last xmas bonus ranged from
500$ to 6000$) and the OT isn't in there (Usually 1.5*hourly
week-day/sat --
2*hourly sun).

Contractor have to pay all the insurance and stuff, so I'd dap about
on top of each of these + a little extra if your gonna have to live in
expensive part of town.

NOTE to the lawer.  It only becomes illegal if it can be proven that we
set a level of pay *and* have all agreed to follow this level.  If
been on here long enough, you'd know *noone* ever agrees about

Good luck with the job, I hear California is nice this time of year!!



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