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From "Andrew Hill" <andrew.david.h...@gridnode.com>
Subject RE: PHP version of Struts
Date Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:05:32 GMT
Cheap used to be crap, but nowadays, what with the recession and all, you
can pick up highly qualified java developers for a penny a pound (so why you
would get someone to do php rubbish now when you can get a java guru is
beyond me, - though I can see why companies used to do it to cut short term
costs back when java programmers were actually worth something)

:-(

-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:mail@phase.ws]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 13:56
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: PHP version of Struts


Oh, and here is a case in point. I have a PHP friend who has been coding PHP
for years. I recently reintroduced him to Java. He had looked at Java back
in the 1.1 days. When he began to see the potential and how much easier Java
was than PHP he said, and I quote... "It's like I've been asleep for a long
time and I woke up in the Future."

Brandon Goodin

-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:mail@phase.ws]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:52 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com
Subject: RE: PHP version of Struts


I'm with David on this one. Cheap=crap. JSP is simple to code. A PHP
developer should have no problem learning it. Besides isn't the view
supposed to be simplified. Isn't it the backend that is supposed to do the
powerlifting. So, if you have a bunch of PHPers they are going to have to
learn java anyways if they are going to code anything powerful. If you have
page designers to train... then it is easier to teach them jstl than php.
No?

Brandon Goodin

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:27 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: PHP version of Struts


It may sound a little cynical, but 5 years is a long time in IT, and many
companies can charge their customers by the hour to do that maintenance...
(by which time, having had a cheap and dirty app in place to play with for
that time the users might even be approaching the point where they have some
kind of idea what their requirements really are!)

-----Original Message-----
From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 13:16
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: PHP version of Struts


>The real advantage of PHP is the number of people that know PHP.  The
>number
>of people that know jsp/velocity is dwarfed by those that know PHP, thus
>you
>can hire cheaper labor and the company saves money.

In my experience, cheaper labor = higher cost because you have to rip out
all of those scripts within 5 years and replace them with maintainable
*applications*.

David

>This technology may not
>solve any problems for the Java programmer however it would influence a
>companies decision to go with a Java solution over .Net.
>
>-james
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Igor Shabalov" <igor.shabalov@exadel.com>
>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:46 PM
>Subject: Re: PHP version of Struts
>
>
> >
> > Why PHP when I have Java? What real advanteges PHP have compared to
>Java?
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:04:31 -0700, Van Riper, Mike
> > <mvanriper@verisign.com> wrote:
> >
> > > At JavaOne this week one of the announcements about future plans was
>for
> > > scripting language support, specifically in the context of web pages,
> > > that
> > > will focus initially on PHP support. It was suggested that an initial
> > > reference implementation of this would provide PHP support in a future
> > > release of Tomcat. This is at the early JSR stage now. So, it would
>not
> > > be
> > > of much use any time soon. Still, it seemed worth mentioning in the
> > > context
> > > of this discussion. The JSR for this is JSR-223, Scripting Pages in
>Java
> > > Web
> > > Applications:
> > >
> > > http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=223
> > >
> > > FYI, Van
> > >
> > > Mike Van Riper
> > > mailto:mvanriper@verisign.com
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:mail@phase.ws]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:30 PM
> > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >> Subject: RE: PHP version of Struts
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It's PHP... what do you think?
> > >>
> > >> Brandon Goodin
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Lai, Kenny [mailto:kenny.lai@bet.net]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:22 PM
> > >> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > >> Subject: RE: PHP version of Struts
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> the question is, is it as good as struts
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:mail@phase.ws]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:22 PM
> > >> To: Struts User List
> > >> Subject: PHP version of Struts
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Would you use it?
> > >>
> > >> http://phrame.sourceforge.net/
> > >>
> > >> Brandon Goodin
> > >>
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Igor Shabalov
> > Director of Engineering
> > Exadel Inc.
> > http://www.exadel.com
> >
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