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From Vic Cekvenich <vic_cekven...@baseBeans.com>
Subject Re: [Friday] How far can we let the clients push us?
Date Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:36:46 GMT
Together with low demand

http://news.com.com/2100-1022_3-5051028.html?tag=lh
http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5051575.html?tag=fd_top
A lot of supply of above.

We need better productivity.... via training?!
.V


Christopher Fox wrote:
> internet bubble caused developers to be scarce and rose the pay to beyond
> belief
> then all of a sudden everyone started wanting to be a computer programmer
> and then when the collapse came
> so went the money and jobs ... oh don't worry ... there will be jobs ...
> just for not much pay
> since there is now a glut of programmers ... kinda like the lawyers in the
> 80s
> 
> but now you gotta learn so much, stay on top and the reward is no longer
> there
> (at least for the masses)
> 
> you have been comoditized!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mark_galbreath@qat.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:58 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [Friday] How far can we let the clients push us?
> 
> 
> I'm serious, dude!  I know many unemployed developers right now.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yansheng Lin [mailto:yansheng.lin@isogis.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:59 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [Friday] How far can we let the clients push us?
> 
> 
> Thanks Mark!  You made me feel much better.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mark_galbreath@qat.com]
> Sent: July 18, 2003 11:11 AM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; dgraham@apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Friday] How far can we let the clients push us?
> 
> 
> What's the issue?  They paying you, aren't they?  Be glad to have a job!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Graham [mailto:grahamdavid1980@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:54 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Friday] How far can we let the clients push us?
> 
> 
> --- Yansheng Lin <yansheng.lin@isogis.com> wrote:
> 
>>To them, Online spreadsheet data-entry is a reasonable request.  They
>>don't want to change their ways of practise, what can we do?
> 
> 
> This implies that they are currently using an online spreadsheet program.
> Are they, or do they want you to build them one?  I would hand them a CD
> with OpenOffice on it and tell them to have fun :-).
> 
> David
> 
> 
>>They are paying us!
>>
>>Darn, life is so hard!
>>
>>
>>
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