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From Vic Cekvenich <>
Subject Re: OT: JSR-168 is available for review
Date Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:29:26 GMT
Actually, Nov. 2002 I got a similar message from Craig saying I am 
overly critical of EJB in favor or DAO (iBatis, Hibernate and rowset, 
and rowset now is a big deal at Sun. I wonder who was right back then? :-))

Today I am critical of Portlet and JSF (to me, they are similar to EJB 
on the View side), since as I replied in the thread, they are too tied 
to the server; (even .NET is better than those Sun API. The words I used 
are "Java everywhere is a product strategy, not an architecture". 
Borland C# download is free as is WebMatrix. I am in favor of 
SOA/WS so clients do not have to master every Sun api out there, just 
minimal XML and have X-platform ).
I am trying to reduce petting people on the head when they make the 
right choice, nor if some people get taken advantage of by vendors; sort 
of "a word to the wise" to keep the head up. No need for free consulting 
when one has a choice of getting paid for it instead. (Nor do I want to 
advise Sun for free and then have it licensed back to me)

Ex: Pick one approach, from this slide show for example:
Clearly one approach is better than the other, else if you do not have a 
full time architect, consider a consultant; or maybe a vendor 
advertisement, it that is what you want to do.

I do teach Advanced Struts class, and do consulting, and then I itemize 
my recommendation and implement it.

Time will tell.

Project Recovery

I also liked my Commodore 64, I liked VisiCalc, and I like Sun's 
inventing Java,,m20,m100,m200,e200&t=2y&l=off&z=l&q=l

but I think Sun and Java should go separate ways.

Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Laurent PETIT wrote:
>>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:17:13 +0100
>>From: Laurent PETIT <>
>>Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <>,
>>     Laurent PETIT <>
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List <>
>>Subject: Re: OT: JSR-168 is available for review
>>I'm quite new in the Java / J2EE sphere, and so I don't really know the
>>typical behaviors I'm supposed to have in some circumstances ? ;-)
>>Is it quite normal to blame the JCP specs, even without giving any reason
>>for that ?
>>Or is there such a historical life of bad specs from the JCP, that no more
>>spec from it deserves to be taken away without a glance ?
> What you see here is pretty typical behavior for Vic lately (which is one
> of the reasons his mail goes straight into my "noisy" folder), but it's
> not typical of people on STRUTS-USER.
>>Please if you have 2 minutes, explain to me !
> Craig

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