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From "Jim Barrows" <>
Subject RE: Struts and DreamWeaver
Date Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:02:06 GMT

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wendy Smoak []
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:31 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Struts and DreamWeaver
> From: "Jim Barrows" <>
> > If you're paying them... who cares?  It's your dime, your way or the
> highway :)
> Nope, it's another department on campus.  There is no 
> contract, and no clear
> lines of ownership... I could have taken over the entire 
> thing but I hate
> doing layout and page design (read:  I'm not very good at it) 
> and am trying
> to find a way to get them to do it for me.  They have 
> marketing types and
> graphic designers over there... I'm a department of one.

Graphic designers make great looking websites and absolutely horrid User Interfaces.  As for
marketing types.... well.... bring a large stick and a few dozen martinis.

> > DreamWeaver should support the tags, and ignore the JSTL.
> > My biggest worry with DreamWeaver would be the HTML code the thing
> generates.
> > Typically it's pretty abysmal.
> Ugh, the first thing they sent was a solid block of <font> tags.  I
> explained the virtues of external style sheets and sent it 
> back.  From the
> other messages, it sounds like I'm better off doing it 
> myself. :/  I'll try
> to get a clean formatted example out of them and just use 
> that.  Thankfully
> we all agree that simple is better, so the pages are not too 
> complicated,
> but I still think I'm in for a bunch of editing.  (And they're already
> talking about changes...)

That's the other problem with Graphic Designers... always tweaking things for no reason :)

> Thanks for the insight, I figured I was not the first to face this. :)

No.  I would also highly recommend a bottle of Middleton's (A mighty fine whisky.) for the
aftermath of dealing with Grahpic Designers and Marketing people.

About a fifth for each person of each type should do the trick.. :)

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