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From "Michael Oliver" <oliv...@sourceonenet.com>
Subject RE: MVC Frameworks
Date Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:04:57 GMT
I completely agree (did I say that to DJ?).

While you can start a flame war reminiscent of the "Wordstar vs. Word"
or "Supercalc vs. Lotus" in the old days, with the question "Which
Framework is best" the fact is, as Jack says, it "depends".  I prefer
struts for what we are doing, primarily because we can extend it to meet
our needs and we can put Velocity or Cocoon or even Axis out in front of
it, or Hibernate, or Tibco behind it and we need not spend a lot of time
or effort doing it.

Michael Oliver
CTO
Alarius Systems LLC
3325 N. Nellis Blvd, #1
Las Vegas, NV 89115
Phone:(702)643-7425
Fax:(702)974-0341
*Note new email changed from oliverm@matrix-media.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:dakota.jack@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:17 AM
To: Justin Morgan
Cc: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks

For my part, I still prefer Struts because I think it has a great
potential if it endorses some move to IoC and does not fall off the
strict web MVC pattern.  I have no time for the event-based frameworks
like Echo, Tapestry, JSF, Shale, etc.  Others need that sort of thing.
 What framework you choose depends a lot on what you want to do, the
sophistication of your developers, etc.

Jack


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:44:26 -0600, Justin Morgan <JMorgan@d2hawkeye.com>
wrote:
> Thanks...
> 
> I recently picked up Rod Johnson's J2EE Design and Development (ISBN:
> 0-7645-4385-7), and Chapter 12 is titled "Web-Tier MVC Design"...  I'm
> going to assume this chapter is pretty similar to the one you mention.
> 
> I agree with you that this author is incredibly clear-minded, and I'm
> soaking it all in.  Most of the book is model-neutral, and focuses
more
> on good practices and patterns, which is great because we have not
> decided on a model yet.  But in chapter 12 he only really discusses
> Struts, Maverick, and WebWork.  I was hoping for some commentary on
JSF
> and Tapestry as well, especially regarding why one might choose one
over
> the other.
> 
> It all boils down to two questions:
> 1.  Why do you prefer Struts over any other web application framework?
> (Tapestry, JSF, Maverick, WebWork, etc)
> 2.  Why should _I_ prefer <insert framework here>?
> 
> The second question is not meant to make anyone defensive; I'm just
> trying to get past
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Justin
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dakota Jack [mailto:dakota.jack@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:30 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks
> 
> Rod Johnson (author of Spring and one of the clearest thinkers I have
> ever read IMHO) has a good discussion of the options in J2EE
> Development without EJB in Chapter 13: Web Tier Design.
> 
> Jack
> 
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:19:47 -0600, Justin Morgan
<JMorgan@d2hawkeye.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I am currently researching different web application frameworks...
> JSF,
> > Struts, and Tapestry specifically.  We are planning to migrate a
large
> > existing web application to a rigorous model 2 standard using one or
> > more of these frameworks, and I am looking for more information on
the
> > differences between them.  My research thus far has turned up only a
> few
> > sources, and many of them seem religiously biased toward one of
them.
> >
> > If any of you have opinions, or better yet, articles contrasting
these
> > technologies, please let me know.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Justin
> >
> >
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> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> back."
> ~Dakota Jack~
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