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From musom...@aol.com
Subject Re: unit testing Struts2 application (with Spring and Hibernate)
Date Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:23:28 GMT

[The standard?diclaimer that it is not a popularity contest and nothing that does the job
for you is wrong.]
Would you not agree that if you are going to mock up the framework the simulation of S2 of
highest fidelity is S2 itself.
IMHO?you are digging a swimming pool by the ocean to test your yatch.
I am not familiar with Selenium but anything you can do with JUnit you can do in JWebUnit
since it is just
JUnit with more libraries.

I took your route or instantiating parts of S2 in standard JUnit tests and run into trouble
when I moved
from 2,0,x to 2,1,x due to changes in the framework. It is a bummer when you switch versions
and find
the tests are dead.
Chris



-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Lindholm <greg.lindholm@gmail.com>
To: Struts Users Mailing List <user@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 3:00 am
Subject: Re: unit testing Struts2 application (with Spring and Hibernate)



>
> > >
> > > IMO that's outside the purview of unit testing, though--by definition
> > > this describes integration testing: the testing of an action along with
> > > the framework.
> > >
> > > There's nothing *wrong* with doing that testing, I just don't think
> it's
> > > the same thing as unit testing: independently testing the smallest bits
> > > of functionality.
> > >
> > > JUnit can be used for that kind of testing too (and I do, sometimes),
> > > but once I'm at that point I generally figure I might as well just be
> > > doing client-focused testing and testing the output of my results. I
> > > also use Selenium, although I may switch back to using a layer I wrote
> > > on top of Watir.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
> > Not to throw weight around, but it is sort of curious to me that the
> three
> > struts committers who chimed in all agreed that tip-to-tail integration
> > testing in JUnit is not worth the effort. I only bring it up because,
> IMO,
> > struts 2 is one of the best-unit-tested products I've ever worked on. I
> think
> > Dave, Musachy and myself are biased against tip-to-tail in JUnit because
> in
> > Struts 2, we have a guideline to unit test all bugfixes and new
> functionality.
> > That being so, all three of us have probably come across situations where
> > writing the unit test is 500x harder than writing the fix :)
> >
> > Dave does a good job of making the point I tried to make earlier,
> tip-to-tail
> > testing is better looked at as an integration test and it becomes much
> easier
> > to deal with as an integration test. If you are unfamiliar with selenium,
> it
> > is worth learning. One of the posters earlier mentioned that he didn't
> want to
> > learn another testing framework when he already knows JUnit. Selenium is
> nice
> > because it runs right in the browser (IE and Firefox) and runs though a
> set of
> > VB-like instructions... Things like - open this url, look for this text,
> click
> > this link and then make sure this text exists. IMO, if you want to make
> sure
> > th
at your action renders the appropriate result, this is way better than
> > trying to coax the framework by bootstrapping it with mocks then figuring
> out a
> > way to retrieve the rendered result. As an added bonus, it is possible to
> get
> > maven to launch selenium tests, so you can get full unit and integration
> > testing out of your CI if you are willing to put forth the effort.
> >
> > To drive the point home further, I would add that the Dojo plugin
> probably
> > would have been more stable if we had taken the selenium approach (that
> is
> > being employed with the slowly moving jquery plugin).
> >
> > -Wes
> >
>

Not to pick on anyone but this isn't really a popularity contest. Different
situations have different needs and there is no reason to suggest that one
solution will work best for everyone.

At a large shop naming something "unit testing" vs "integration testing"
maybe important as it can determined who's job it is to do the work.  But at
a small shop, like I'm at, it makes no difference, it's all just testing and
it's the developers job.  So for me, whatever way is easiest, quickest and
gets the job done wins.

It took some work at first to figure out how to tests actions with the full
stack with junit but now that I have the plumbing figured out it's very easy
to add tests as actions are added. With junit I can easily set the database
to a know state before each test, or use mocks to simulate hard to setup
edge conditions (how easy is that to do with selenium?)  Plus it's easy to
jun junit with code coverage so I can see code isn't being covered. And, as
another already pointed out, junit is fast and convienent, 2 clicks from
inside Eclipse.

I do think it is great to see that the industry (at least those on this
list) recognizes the importance of automated testing and that with Struts
you have ability to test at the isolated pojo detail level all the way
through full blow integration testing.


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