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From Erik Hatcher <e...@ehatchersolutions.com>
Subject Re: [Jakarta-tapestry Wiki] Update of "IdeasOnTapestry" by wangzaixiang
Date Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:19:33 GMT
I agree with Ron on this.  But the nice thing is the wiki is a big 
whiteboard.  Feel free to erase this page.  The thoughts have now been 
sent to the e-mail list :)

	Erik

On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:28 AM, Ron Piterman wrote:

> ציטוט Apache Wiki:
>
> AFAIK:
> The Wiki is to share knowledge.
> The newsgroups is to share thoughts.
> This wiki page belongs definitly to the newsgroups.
> Putting it on the wiki expresses to the least wrong understanding of 
> the roles, to the worst some need to screem.
>
> I tried to contact the writer, only I could not find how...
>
> Any ideas?
>
>> Dear Wiki user,
>> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on 
>> "Jakarta-tapestry Wiki" for change notification.
>> The following page has been changed by wangzaixiang:
>> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-tapestry/IdeasOnTapestry
>> New page:
>>  Tapestry is a good framework for WEB presentation, It provide a 
>> server-side presentation framework in a component based architecture. 
>> Tapestry3.0 is currently stable to use in a realy web appication.
>> For my experience, Tapestry is still something complex for the 
>> starter to learn, but if you would just the simple functions which is 
>> already stronger than Struts, i think 2-3days is enough.
>> Also, i think the Tapestry framework should involved in the following:
>>    1. Simplify the component definition. Although the (POJO + XML 
>> Descriptor) model runs, i think a purely POJO component model(without 
>> XML, or by using Java5 annotation) will be more easily. also, It 
>> should make component develop follows the java style, such as support 
>> component inherit. (as a compatable option, a tool can used to 
>> generate the XML descriptor. )
>>    2. ognl is used as internal java-bean-path language, that works 
>> well but still not enough for big enterprise application, because 
>> ognl is not strong typed, and any error cant find till runtime. so i 
>> would like to introduce 2 other method. one is java:a.b.c which 
>> should be static checkable, and the error can be find on a precheck 
>> mode. or xpath:xml-path-expr format which enable access XML using 
>> xpath.
>>    3. a Tapestry page is shared for multi-client and multi-request, 
>> this makes the tapestry page 's DOM structure(or the component-tree) 
>> is static. in some cases, it makes dynamic web appication difficult. 
>> so i think Tapstry should enable for dynamic Component tree. that 
>> require more memory but provide a clear design.
>>    4. Tapestry is originaly design as Server-side presentation 
>> framework, although it provide some javascript support but it is 
>> really poor. Rich-client is the trend of WEB, and i would like to see 
>> a rich client based subproject to coorpate with server side 
>> framework. aka, to integrate the AJAX into tapestry.
>
>
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