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From Lyndon Durham <>
Subject Re: Non Java Developers, programmers using JSTL and taglibs
Date Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:54:41 GMT
Thanks for your comments. However experience has shown that knowledge of 
a scripting language is not necessarly a prerequisite for understanding 
a programming language or mvc or other application developer concepts. I 
have worked on AOLTV 1.0 where there web designers who fairly understood 
javascript/html but would have a hard time using jstl. One has to also 
take into consideration that in some working enviroments the tools that 
web designers use maybe mandated by a higher authority for reasons 
having little to do with development goals. It seems that the benefits 
to web desingers etc is neutralised by time spent creating the 
framework, guidelines etc for using the jstl as a simple tool. 
Personally I think JSTL is great and there are obvious benefits to 
taglib functionality.  Nonetheless I dont see the average "web designer" 
using jstl. Maybe jstl 2.0 will offer easier integration. wrote:

>Actually, JSTL was introduced into our company for exactly that purpose.
>Now, I'm not the one saying that every web designer will understand it, BUT
>from my point of view a web designer must know JavaScript. Now, if he
>understands JavaScript, how far is he from understanding JSTL? It's just a
>new syntax, but an "if" is an "if" is an "if"  :-)
>If "WYSIWYG designers" means people who create web sites with Frontpage (or
>even Word!), then presumably they won't have a clue. But a good web designer
>for me is someone who knows and understands HTML, JavaScript and perhaps
>even a bit of XML - and such a person shouldn't have a problem.
>Best regards,
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Lyndon Durham []
>>Sent: Montag, 3. Februar 2003 21:55
>>To: Tag Libraries Users List
>>Subject: Non Java Developers, programmers using JSTL and taglibs
>>                As a software developer I would like to 
>>delegate some of 
>>the more mundane and simpler development tasks to non developers, 
>>programmers etc.  The JSTL specification document claims that 
>>the jstl 
>>was created to facilitate or ease development for web 
>>designers and non 
>>java programmers. It is my experience that jstl and other 
>>taglibs like 
>>jakarta standard taglibs are still rather convulted for the likes of 
>>wyswig web designers and other non java programmers.  What is 
>>the point 
>>of developing applications that make succint use of jstl if as the 
>>developer I still have to spend myraid hours explaining how 
>>to use tags 
>>to the less initated or persons who are not programmers or 
>>All comments are appreciated or anyone whose had a better experience 
>>delgating developing using taglibs.
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