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From David Blevins <david.blev...@visi.com>
Subject Re: Thank you for not supporting me in any way
Date Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:42:30 GMT
Alberto,

The frustration is very understandable and I'm sure you weren't the  
only one who felt it.  Ultimately, I think feedback like yours is a  
good opportunity to reset expectations and strengthen the community  
behind the project.

Every challenge is an opportunity in disguise.

-David

On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:51 AM, Alberto López wrote:

>
> Dear David,
>
> first of all I have to say that I really appreciate your answer and I
> completly understand your situation. It is also clear to me that you  
> guys
> are doing a great job which so much of us happily benefit from, and  
> which is
> something I really appreciate. So no one has the right to have a  
> demanding
> attitude.
>
> Having said that, it was something frustrating to see the threads  
> advanzing
> at a good pace with a high amount of feedback and no one answering  
> such a
> fundamental issue like mine. Hence, I got the impression that I  
> never would
> get an answer, which was the reason that got me somewhat angry.  
> Fortunately,
> time prooved that I was wrong. Of course I will keep working with  
> OpenEJB.
>
> To better understand my personal situation let me tell you also that  
> I'm
> trying to convince my organization (http://www.isciii.es) to get  
> much more
> involved with open source, which is a hard task because you have to  
> fight a
> good amount of fear and ignorance regarding open source. I guess you  
> know
> the cliches around open source better than me.
>
> So that's the reason why I was somewhat more susceptible towards  
> getting
> support than normal. Please excuse me for that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alberto López
>
>
> David Blevins wrote:
>>
>> Alberto,
>>
>> Lo siento por todo.  The quality and speed of responsiveness on the
>> users list is something that has been a strength in the project, but
>> the user base has grown considerably since our 3.1 release and it is
>> leading to slower response times.  To survive this growth we are  
>> going
>> to need some of these new users to turn into developers and  
>> committers
>> and contributors.
>>
>> Apache projects are true community run projects for the good and bad.
>> The good is that the doors to the project are truly open, not
>> restricted to people of any specific company, and anyone can come in
>> and contribute.  This includes you and any other members of the
>> community.  OpenEJB has no owner other than Apache whose only concern
>> is ensuring that the users of the software have the access they need
>> to support themselves, add the features they need, can benefit in
>> others doing the same and ultimately to legally protect that vision
>> and those that share in it.  Apache is not an organization like JBoss
>> or Glassfish where the code is owned by a for-profit company who
>> retains the right to make all decisions, has a staff of salaried
>> developers and a dedicated support team.
>>
>> What we do have is a small community of individuals who believe in  
>> the
>> project, view themselves not as owners but as custodians, and want
>> nothing more than to see the project thrive and to share it with
>> others who feel the same.  As one of the more core people on the
>> project, I feel a heightened responsibility for the project's  
>> success,
>> but ultimately it is everyone's responsibility as it should be.
>>
>> I truly hope you that you re-evaluate OpenEJB based on it's ability  
>> or
>> potential to serve your needs and to view the community of people
>> around it not as people who are trying to sell you something or owe
>> you anything, but as peers where we are all responsible for helping
>> each other as the equal owners of the project.
>>
>> As a new, or potentially new, member of the community you're going to
>> be only on the receiving side initially, but I will do everything I
>> can as I'm sure others will, to reach a hand down and pull you in
>> should you decide you want to be a part of this small but growing
>> community.
>>
>> We are truly in this together.
>>
>>
>> Con mucho respeto y sinceridad,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> Resent-From: <dblevins@visi.com>
>>> From: Alberto López <atallon23@hotmail.com>
>>> Date: February 12, 2009 4:08:00 AM PST
>>> To: users@openejb.apache.org
>>> Subject: Thank you for not supporting me in any way
>>> Reply-To: users@openejb.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>> we were seriously considering adopting OpenEJB (we are a spanish
>>> government
>>> agency) because we liked the concept, but this complete lack of
>>> feedback has
>>> made our minds clear.
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>> -- 
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/Thank-you-for-not-supporting-me-in-any-way-tp21974688p21974688.html
>>> Sent from the OpenEJB User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Thank-you-for-not-supporting-me-in-any-way-tp21974688p21994118.html
> Sent from the OpenEJB User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>


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