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From Dave Birdsall <dave.birds...@esgyn.com>
Subject RE: [CONF] Apache Trafodion > Events
Date Tue, 04 Aug 2015 16:58:18 GMT
Dunno but it was frequent. Every time there was a vulnerability it was found
within a day or so. And she was keeping pages secure most of the time.

And that was our experience here. I relaxed the permissions last Thursday
and two business days later we were spammed.

Can I suggest an alternative? Can I just put simple instructions on the root
wiki page on how to contribute to the wiki? (The instructions would be: Get
a confluence ID, send an e-mail to the dev list requesting access. This
seems to work very well for the incubator wiki. I saw two such requests this
morning, for example, and they were answered within hours.)

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:53 AM
To: dev <dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [CONF] Apache Trafodion > Events

I'll be happy to help with it. This has been once incident in a few days, is
that right? How many times per week did Susan have to clean up spam?

Hans

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Dave Birdsall <dave.birdsall@esgyn.com>
wrote:

> I am personally not willing to spend the time watching for spam.
>
> Susan had this problem constantly with the old pre-Apache wiki; I'd
> prefer not to spend my time relearning her lessons.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:36 AM
> To: dev <dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [CONF] Apache Trafodion > Events
>
> Hi,
>
> It was me who suggested that we open up the wiki to contributions from
> anyone who has an account.
>
> Could we try to manage the spam somehow before going back to a
> stricter permission model? To sign up for an account, there is
> something similar to a Captcha, so it's not totally open. I'm not sure
> whether a user must confirm their email address before being allowed
> to contribute.
>
> If we get a couple of spam entries per real contribution from the
> outside, I would think that's a price worth paying at this point. If
> it's much worse than that, we would have to put the fence back up,
> which would be unfortunate, IMHO.
>
> I'm sure the Apache wiki already has some ways to deal with spam (e.g.
>
> https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Preventing+and+Cleaning+U
> p+Spam
> ).
> Places like Wikipedia are much more open than even our current model,
> no login is required at all, and yet they manage to deal with this issue.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hans
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Suresh Subbiah
> <suresh.subbiah60@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pierre,
> >
> > Good catch. I suppose we have to go back to a model where only folks
> > who have been granted privs can modify the page? Maybe everyone who
> > is listed as contributor will be granted access? That way everyone
> > working on the project has privs and others do not. It does prevent
> > an intertested user of Traf. from improving a "how-to" page, but I
> > don't see any alternatives.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Pierre Smits
> > <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It seems our events page in the wiki got misused to promote
> > > something
> > else
> > > than events Trafodion community members are participating in. See
> below.
> > >
> > > Are we having a permission schema that is too liberal?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
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> > > Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail &
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> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: rana mama (Confluence) <confluence@apache.org>
> > > Date: Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:37 PM
> > > Subject: [CONF] Apache Trafodion > Events
> > > To: pierre.smits@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/~bdsujon100?src=mail&src
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> > >
> > > Introduction
> > >
> > > This page outlines the future and past events contributors of the
> > > Trafodion project will or have participated in.
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> > > Table of Contents indent 5px
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> > >
> > >
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