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From Eric Owhadi <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
Date Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:22:14 GMT
Hi All,
I also think that we are ready for graduation. 
On the diversity front I am wondering about the following: The objective of diversity is to
make sure the product will not vanish, should the main company supporting it defaults. 
However, I am thinking that the customer base of that company, using Trafodion, or its derivative
implementation could be a gage of guaranteed sustainability: One of the key selling point
of Trafodion derivative product, is that it comes from open source. So that in case of defaulting
company, customers have a backup plan to just take over matter in their own hands (they would
most likely hire Trafodion engineers to sustain their production DB).
So in a nutshell, I believe we could consider how many companies have disclosed running Trafodion
or its derivative in production, and factor this in as a gage of sustainability along with
I believe that adding this will be sufficient to convince we are ready for graduation,
Best regards,

-----Original Message-----
From: Zhang, Yi (Eason) [] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation

I'm not in the contributor list, someone can add me in?


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Birdsall [] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 05:24
Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation


I'll plan on spending some time this week bringing [1] up-to-date. I know of a few changes
off the top of my head. Most of it is accurate though.

Diversity has always been the issue with this particular podling. Some research needs to be
done to freshly assess where we are on this.

Beyond that issue though I personally feel we are ready for graduation.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Smits [] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 7:22 AM
Subject: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation

Hi all,

Last time we checked whether we were ready to graduate was in July/August 2016. Since we started
incubation we have released a number of times succesfully (so we can say that we have that
under our belt).

Our community shows a healthy interaction on our mailing list(s) and through github (pull
requests -947 closes, forks - 85, stars - 91, watch - 25, all per today) and several presentations
have been made (ApacheCon/Apache BigData/other events).

All in all, our reports (through the Incubator reports) to the board show a podling, where
its contributors act in accordance with the ASF principles and is moving forward in a steady

And our contributors are working towards our next release..

So, I believe it is time that we start working towards graduation. One action we should all
work at is looking at [1] and update our details (e.g.
affiliation, e-mail address) to reflect a current situation.

A major aspect regarding graduation is diversity. This is not as much a point with respect
to committer. But it might be perceived (by Incubator voters - with binding vote - as an issue
when it comes down to the proposition of the intended PMC (after graduation).

   - If we feel that diversity (as it is now in the PPMC, or as it will be
   in the future PMC) will be an issue, we should invite more from a different
   flock (e.g. consider report reviewers/others).
   - If we feel that we can successfully address IPMC concerns we, of
   course, have nothing to worry about.

To come to an end of this posting:

please share your thoughts on whether we are ready to graduate


Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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