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From Glen Daniels <gdani...@sonicsoftware.com>
Subject Re: WS-RM open source impl and NDA [Re: VOTE: WS-Fx and Sandesha proposals]
Date Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:01:29 GMT
Indeed, we signed the agreement but didn't get any other kind of license.  I
really doubt there would be any problem putting this up, but if there was
(i.e. if IBM or Microsoft asked us to take it down due to IP issues) the
social/political backlash would be so huge that it would almost be worth it
just for the show. :)

--Glen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Davanum Srinivas" <dims@yahoo.com>
To: <general@ws.apache.org>
Cc: <pmc@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: WS-RM open source impl and NDA [Re: VOTE: WS-Fx and Sandesha
proposals]


> The NDA is for joining the Interop. The RF stuff is also aimed towards
participants to this
> Interop meeting ONLY.
>
> -- dims
>
> --- Aleksander Slominski <aslom@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >
> > >There was an Interop for WS-RM (http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3901)
and AFAIK no one was
> > asked
> > >to get a license for doing an implementation. So it should be ok.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > hi,
> >
> > actually they did this under some kind of NDA (did you nitice there is
> > no resultsfrom Workshop published ...). so you have to sign this
> > agreemenet if you wanted to join them and thr same NDA is required to
> > join discussion list - i am attaching it (it is Word file) and here is
> > its content.
> >
> > maybe WS-RM spec author(s) could comment on that - i am really fuzzy if
> > it ok for us to require everybody to sign it who works (or look) on
> > WS-RM? it isseems that they *intend* to grant a Royalty-Free but that
> > has not yet happened AFAIK (see in text below)?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > alek
> >
> > *WS-ReliableMessaging Interop Workshop Agreement
> >            Sept  2003*
> >
> >
> >
> > BEA, IBM, Microsoft, and TIBCO ("Authors") of the WS-ReliableMessaging
> > (March 13, 2003) specification (the "Specification") are hosting a 3-day
> > workshop on Oct 14-16, 2003 ("Interop Workshop") to (i) discuss the
> > Specification, including sharing background information on its design,
> > (ii) solicit feedback on the Specification, including general thoughts
> > about the problem spaces addressed by the Specification and the
> > practicality of implementing the Specification, and (iii) provide the
> > opportunity for interoperability testing  by the attendees, including
> > you or your company ("you," and "your Company" if you are participating
> > on behalf of your company, are collectively referred to herein as
> > "Participant").
> >
> >
> > Participant is expected to respect the privacy of others since, for
> > example, other participants may be working with pre-release code.
> > Results of each testing session in the Interop Workshop are not intended
> > to be publicly posted.  By participating in the Interop Workshop,
> > Participant agrees not to disclose, comment on or otherwise
> > characterize, in any manner, the results of the interoperability testing
> > or of the operation of any other participant's products or applications
> > tested at the Interop Workshop without such other participant's prior
> > written consent.
> >
> >
> >
> > Consistent with the goals of the Interop Workshop, the Authors may
> > publicize general results of the Interop Workshop testing through press
> > release and post-event briefings of selected industry analysts and
> > press. This will likely include general event information, overview of
> > the list of participants, and the collective results of the testing.
> > Participant is free to issue individual press releases that discuss its
> > general involvement in the Interop Workshop.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Authors of the Specification and authors of the related
> > specification ("Authors of Related Spec") listed below ("Related Spec")
> > intend to submit revised versions of the Specification and Related Spec
> > to a standards body, in which case they intend to grant a Royalty-Free
> > (zero royalties with other reasonable and non-discriminatory terms)
> > license to their necessary patent claims.  Participant will be invited
> > to provide comments and feedback on the Specification and/or Related
> > Specs, but both sets of Authors need assurance that any such comments
> > and feedback provided by Participant, either during or subsequent to the
> > Interop Workshop, ("Comments") are provided in a manner that is
> > consistent with that goal.
> >
> >
> >
> > Participant is not required to provide any Comments on this
> > Specification or any Related Spec, but any Comments that Participant
> > does provide may be incorporated into this Specification or Related
> > Spec.  By signing below, Participant grants to the Authors of the
> > Specification and the Authors of Related Spec a non-exclusive,
> > non-transferable, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free
> > copyright license to copy, publish, license, modify, sublicense or
> > otherwise distribute and exploit Comments you provide.  Likewise, if
> > incorporation of your Comments into a version of this Specification or
> > any Related Spec would cause an implementation of any such Specification
> > or Related Spec (as modified) to necessarily infringe a patent or patent
> > application that Participant owns or controls, Participant commits to
> > grant to all implementers of such Specification or Related Spec a
> > Royalty-Free license under such patent or patent application to make,
> > have made, use, sell, offer for sale, and import products or services
> > that implement such Specification or Related Spec.  Participant warrants
> > that (a) to the best of Participant's knowledge Participant has the
> > right to provide these Comments, and if you are providing Comments on
> > behalf of a company, you have the rights to provide Comments on behalf
> > of your Company; (b) the Comments are not confidential to Participant or
> > to another party; and (c) to the best of your knowledge use of the
> > Comments would not cause an implementation of the Specification or
> > Related Spec (as modified) to necessarily infringe any third-party
> > patent or patent application known to you.  You also acknowledge that
> > the Authors or Authors of Related Spec are not required to incorporate
> > your Comments into any version of the Specification or Related Spec.
> >
> >
> >
> > *_ RELATED SPEC_*
> >
> > *_ _*
> >
> > *_WS-Addressing                     Authors: BEA, IBM, Microsoft_*
> >
> > *_ _*
> >
> > *_ _*
> >
> > *_ _*
> >
> > ___________________________
> >
> > Name
> >
> > ___________________________
> >
> > Title
> >
> > ___________________________
> >
> > Company
> >
> > ___________________________      ___________________________
> >
> > Signature                                                   Date
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > alek
> >
> > >Thanks,
> > >dims
> > >
> > >--- Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>"Aleksander Slominski" <aslom@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>however how are IP issues resolved for WS-ReliableMessaging from
> > >>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-rm/
> > >>>
> > >>>it is not clear to me if WS-RM can be implemented as open source?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Hmm. Good question.
> > >>
> > >>Glen, when Sonic implemented WS-RM did you need a license from IBM
> > >>etc.? I can certainly get whatever is needed I believe; just need
> > >>to know what we need.
> > >>
> > >>Dims, does Apache need anything specific to make it "safe"?
> > >>
> > >>Sanjiva.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >=====
> > >Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > The best way to predict the future is to invent it - Alan Kay
> >
> >
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/msword
name=WS-specworkshopsRMworkshopagreement92303.doc
>
>
>
> =====
> Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
>
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