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From "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sanj...@opensource.lk>
Subject Re: WS-RM open source impl and NDA [Re: VOTE: WS-Fx and Sandesha proposals]
Date Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:40:12 GMT
AFAIK there was no NDA - there was a (standard IBM/MSFT) feedback
agreement which grants certain prividges to the authors w.r.t.
feedback given by others.

I believe the results were / will be published.

IBM/MSFT have committed to publishing these RF, but you are correct
that that's not granted yet. I personally don't think we need to
push on this, but if necessary I'm certain I can get the appropriate
RF license issued. I think we're going overboard about it but then
I'm no lawyer.

I'm still curious to see Glen's answer as an implementor of WS-RM.
(Or anyone else who has - Dims, did u guys do one too?)

Sanjiva.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aleksander Slominski" <aslom@cs.indiana.edu>
To: <general@ws.apache.org>
Cc: <pmc@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:28 PM
Subject: WS-RM open source impl and NDA [Re: VOTE: WS-Fx and Sandesha
proposals]


> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> >There was an Interop for WS-RM (http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3901)
and AFAIK no one was asked
> >to get a license for doing an implementation. So it should be ok.
> >
> >
> >
> hi,
>
> actually they did this under some kind of NDA (did you nitice there is
> no resultsfrom Workshop published ...). so you have to sign this
> agreemenet if you wanted to join them and thr same NDA is required to
> join discussion list - i am attaching it (it is Word file) and here is
> its content.
>
> maybe WS-RM spec author(s) could comment on that - i am really fuzzy if
> it ok for us to require everybody to sign it who works (or look) on
> WS-RM? it isseems that they *intend* to grant a Royalty-Free but that
> has not yet happened AFAIK (see in text below)?
>
> thanks,
>
> alek
>
> *WS-ReliableMessaging Interop Workshop Agreement
>            Sept  2003*
>
>
>
> BEA, IBM, Microsoft, and TIBCO ("Authors") of the WS-ReliableMessaging
> (March 13, 2003) specification (the "Specification") are hosting a 3-day
> workshop on Oct 14-16, 2003 ("Interop Workshop") to (i) discuss the
> Specification, including sharing background information on its design,
> (ii) solicit feedback on the Specification, including general thoughts
> about the problem spaces addressed by the Specification and the
> practicality of implementing the Specification, and (iii) provide the
> opportunity for interoperability testing  by the attendees, including
> you or your company ("you," and "your Company" if you are participating
> on behalf of your company, are collectively referred to herein as
> "Participant").
>
>
> Participant is expected to respect the privacy of others since, for
> example, other participants may be working with pre-release code.
> Results of each testing session in the Interop Workshop are not intended
> to be publicly posted.  By participating in the Interop Workshop,
> Participant agrees not to disclose, comment on or otherwise
> characterize, in any manner, the results of the interoperability testing
> or of the operation of any other participant's products or applications
> tested at the Interop Workshop without such other participant's prior
> written consent.
>
>
>
> Consistent with the goals of the Interop Workshop, the Authors may
> publicize general results of the Interop Workshop testing through press
> release and post-event briefings of selected industry analysts and
> press. This will likely include general event information, overview of
> the list of participants, and the collective results of the testing.
> Participant is free to issue individual press releases that discuss its
> general involvement in the Interop Workshop.
>
>
>
> The Authors of the Specification and authors of the related
> specification ("Authors of Related Spec") listed below ("Related Spec")
> intend to submit revised versions of the Specification and Related Spec
> to a standards body, in which case they intend to grant a Royalty-Free
> (zero royalties with other reasonable and non-discriminatory terms)
> license to their necessary patent claims.  Participant will be invited
> to provide comments and feedback on the Specification and/or Related
> Specs, but both sets of Authors need assurance that any such comments
> and feedback provided by Participant, either during or subsequent to the
> Interop Workshop, ("Comments") are provided in a manner that is
> consistent with that goal.
>
>
>
> Participant is not required to provide any Comments on this
> Specification or any Related Spec, but any Comments that Participant
> does provide may be incorporated into this Specification or Related
> Spec.  By signing below, Participant grants to the Authors of the
> Specification and the Authors of Related Spec a non-exclusive,
> non-transferable, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free
> copyright license to copy, publish, license, modify, sublicense or
> otherwise distribute and exploit Comments you provide.  Likewise, if
> incorporation of your Comments into a version of this Specification or
> any Related Spec would cause an implementation of any such Specification
> or Related Spec (as modified) to necessarily infringe a patent or patent
> application that Participant owns or controls, Participant commits to
> grant to all implementers of such Specification or Related Spec a
> Royalty-Free license under such patent or patent application to make,
> have made, use, sell, offer for sale, and import products or services
> that implement such Specification or Related Spec.  Participant warrants
> that (a) to the best of Participant's knowledge Participant has the
> right to provide these Comments, and if you are providing Comments on
> behalf of a company, you have the rights to provide Comments on behalf
> of your Company; (b) the Comments are not confidential to Participant or
> to another party; and (c) to the best of your knowledge use of the
> Comments would not cause an implementation of the Specification or
> Related Spec (as modified) to necessarily infringe any third-party
> patent or patent application known to you.  You also acknowledge that
> the Authors or Authors of Related Spec are not required to incorporate
> your Comments into any version of the Specification or Related Spec.
>
>
>
> *_ RELATED SPEC_*
>
> *_ _*
>
> *_WS-Addressing                     Authors: BEA, IBM, Microsoft_*
>
> *_ _*
>
> *_ _*
>
> *_ _*
>
> ___________________________
>
> Name
>
> ___________________________
>
> Title
>
> ___________________________
>
> Company
>
> ___________________________      ___________________________
>
> Signature                                                   Date
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> alek
>
> >Thanks,
> >dims
> >
> >--- Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Aleksander Slominski" <aslom@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>however how are IP issues resolved for WS-ReliableMessaging from
> >>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-rm/
> >>>
> >>>it is not clear to me if WS-RM can be implemented as open source?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Hmm. Good question.
> >>
> >>Glen, when Sonic implemented WS-RM did you need a license from IBM
> >>etc.? I can certainly get whatever is needed I believe; just need
> >>to know what we need.
> >>
> >>Dims, does Apache need anything specific to make it "safe"?
> >>
> >>Sanjiva.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >=====
> >Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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