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From "Ruchith Fernando" <ruchith.ferna...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Date Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:24:27 GMT
IMHO Axis2 project as a TLP should be both Java and C.

Thanks,
Ruchith

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Manjula Peiris <manjula@wso2.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 09:23 +0530, Samisa Abeysinghe wrote:
>> It looks to me that the amount of confusion and frustration demonstrated
>> in this thread is due to the mix of topics that we are discussing under
>> the single topic, namely TLP.
>>
>> Some of the matters are not really TLP related.
>>
>> On one hand, there is talk about dropping C out of the picture, while
>> making Axis2 a TLP. So natural tenancy from the C folks is a big NO.
>> So is that equivalent to saying, no we do not need a TLP? Not really.
>
> Yes as a contributor to Axis2/C project my main concern is also on
> dropping out Axis2/C out of the picture. If we separate out these two
> projects it may affect Axis2/C project, and I don't think Axis2 will
> benefited from that either.
>
>>
>> Then there are questions related to activeness. And I do agree that it
>> is a real problem, that needs to be solved. But IMHO I have doubts if a
>> TLP would solve it.
>>
>> We need a clear list of things that we might be doing, when we become a
>> TLP. And that list must obviously include the list of projects that will
>> go under that TLP etc.
>>
>> Then we also need a separate list, that outlines problems that we have
>> in the current setup. Including those that might be solved with TLP as
>> well as those that might not.
>>
>> And if we can agree on the above, then we have to identify a media to
>> collect those lists. A mailing list thread like this is distorting when
>> it comes to listing things IMHO, so we might need a Wiki that everyone
>> can edit.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Samisa...
>>
>>
>> Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
>> > missed general@
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Ajith Ranabahu <ajith.ranabahu@gmail.com>
>> > Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:04 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
>> > To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>> > I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just
>> > spent 20 minutes reading the complete thread and just throwing my 2
>> > cents.
>> >
>> > 1. I am +1 (not a vote, a token of agreement) on making Axis2 a TLP.
>> > I have supported the decision in the PMC and I am still in support for
>> > it. As Deepal says I don't understand why people are so much worried
>> > about making Axis2 a TLP. We have kept all the major components as
>> > subprojects so far and what difference would it make if we house them
>> > in a different place ?
>> >
>> > 2. I have to agree to Dims that we have not been active as usual.
>> > There are open Jira's and I haven't had time to fix the few things
>> > that are pending in my niche projects (XMLSchema and tcpmon) let alone
>> > in Axis2. However I personally feel that it would be easier to do a
>> > better job (better than being done right now) if the teams are small
>> > and focused rather than generic and all over the place.  Again the
>> > volume and the size clearly warrants a break just for the ease of
>> > management. Mind you - it would not automatically fix the problem -
>> > the site would not get fixed by magic and the Jiras would not vanish.
>> > However it may make it easier to do so.
>> > For the sake of the argument if a disgruntled user goes on commenting
>> > about Axis2 he would be shooting at the ws pmc. But the WS pmc
>> > consists of many other innocent PMCers that have nothing to do with
>> > Axis2! if we have clear separation then the responsibilities are
>> > clear.
>> >
>> > 3. I've been told that (before my time in Apache) that it is
>> > discouraged to put projects in an umbrella of functionality, say like
>> > in ws* or xml*. Instead Apache has embraced the
>> > related-or-not-related-but-interesting type of project names with
>> > 'projects' and not umbrellas. Just to make it clear does the words
>> > jackrabbit, lucene, synapse, Mina or Lenya make any hint of what the
>> > project actually does ? So i don't see the point of keeping Axis2
>> > under the umbrella of ws* anymore. if the ws* argument to hold I would
>> > say all other Apache projects that provide the SOAP stack capability
>> > should come under ws* as well (such as CXF)
>> >
>> > 4. I don't suppose there is anyone with a secret (evil ;P) agenda of
>> > becoming the member of two PMC's supporting the split. But as I
>> > pointed out earlier ws has grown out of its bounds and its time we
>> > split things up for the sake of managing the complexity. Who we put as
>> > the chair is a different question and hopefully would be selected the
>> > democratic way (or by just looking at the mail count :D)
>> >
>> > For my final conclusion I am in support of this proposal.
>> >
>> > Ajith
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Paul Fremantle <pzfreo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>  Though given Paul's and other people's response.
>> >>>
>> >> Dims, my response was a light-hearted comment on the situation, and
>> >> made no reference to whether or not Axis2 should be a TLP. I'm sorry
>> >> if you took it in a way it wasn't meant to be taken, but I certainly
>> >> wasn't making any comment against the proposal. I am in favour of
>> >> making Axis2 a TLP, and I'm surprised if anything I have said led you
>> >> or anyone else to think otherwise.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Paul Fremantle
>> >> Co-Founder and CTO, WSO2
>> >> Apache Synapse PMC Chair
>> >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
>> >>
>> >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
>> >> paul@wso2.com
>> >>
>> >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ajith Ranabahu
>> >
>> > Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its
>> > creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain
>> > too little falls into lazy habits of thinking - Albert Einstein
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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