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From "Afkham Azeez" <afk...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
Date Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:11:33 GMT
Yes, I also agree that this is the proper thing to do, if ever Axis2 is made
a TLP.

Azeez

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Ruchith Fernando <
ruchith.fernando@gmail.com> wrote:

> IMHO Axis2 project as a TLP should be both Java and C.
>
> Thanks,
> Ruchith
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Manjula Peiris <manjula@wso2.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 09:23 +0530, Samisa Abeysinghe wrote:
> >> It looks to me that the amount of confusion and frustration demonstrated
> >> in this thread is due to the mix of topics that we are discussing under
> >> the single topic, namely TLP.
> >>
> >> Some of the matters are not really TLP related.
> >>
> >> On one hand, there is talk about dropping C out of the picture, while
> >> making Axis2 a TLP. So natural tenancy from the C folks is a big NO.
> >> So is that equivalent to saying, no we do not need a TLP? Not really.
> >
> > Yes as a contributor to Axis2/C project my main concern is also on
> > dropping out Axis2/C out of the picture. If we separate out these two
> > projects it may affect Axis2/C project, and I don't think Axis2 will
> > benefited from that either.
> >
> >>
> >> Then there are questions related to activeness. And I do agree that it
> >> is a real problem, that needs to be solved. But IMHO I have doubts if a
> >> TLP would solve it.
> >>
> >> We need a clear list of things that we might be doing, when we become a
> >> TLP. And that list must obviously include the list of projects that will
> >> go under that TLP etc.
> >>
> >> Then we also need a separate list, that outlines problems that we have
> >> in the current setup. Including those that might be solved with TLP as
> >> well as those that might not.
> >>
> >> And if we can agree on the above, then we have to identify a media to
> >> collect those lists. A mailing list thread like this is distorting when
> >> it comes to listing things IMHO, so we might need a Wiki that everyone
> >> can edit.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Samisa...
> >>
> >>
> >> Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
> >> > missed general@
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > From: Ajith Ranabahu <ajith.ranabahu@gmail.com>
> >> > Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:04 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
> >> > To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just
> >> > spent 20 minutes reading the complete thread and just throwing my 2
> >> > cents.
> >> >
> >> > 1. I am +1 (not a vote, a token of agreement) on making Axis2 a TLP.
> >> > I have supported the decision in the PMC and I am still in support for
> >> > it. As Deepal says I don't understand why people are so much worried
> >> > about making Axis2 a TLP. We have kept all the major components as
> >> > subprojects so far and what difference would it make if we house them
> >> > in a different place ?
> >> >
> >> > 2. I have to agree to Dims that we have not been active as usual.
> >> > There are open Jira's and I haven't had time to fix the few things
> >> > that are pending in my niche projects (XMLSchema and tcpmon) let alone
> >> > in Axis2. However I personally feel that it would be easier to do a
> >> > better job (better than being done right now) if the teams are small
> >> > and focused rather than generic and all over the place.  Again the
> >> > volume and the size clearly warrants a break just for the ease of
> >> > management. Mind you - it would not automatically fix the problem -
> >> > the site would not get fixed by magic and the Jiras would not vanish.
> >> > However it may make it easier to do so.
> >> > For the sake of the argument if a disgruntled user goes on commenting
> >> > about Axis2 he would be shooting at the ws pmc. But the WS pmc
> >> > consists of many other innocent PMCers that have nothing to do with
> >> > Axis2! if we have clear separation then the responsibilities are
> >> > clear.
> >> >
> >> > 3. I've been told that (before my time in Apache) that it is
> >> > discouraged to put projects in an umbrella of functionality, say like
> >> > in ws* or xml*. Instead Apache has embraced the
> >> > related-or-not-related-but-interesting type of project names with
> >> > 'projects' and not umbrellas. Just to make it clear does the words
> >> > jackrabbit, lucene, synapse, Mina or Lenya make any hint of what the
> >> > project actually does ? So i don't see the point of keeping Axis2
> >> > under the umbrella of ws* anymore. if the ws* argument to hold I would
> >> > say all other Apache projects that provide the SOAP stack capability
> >> > should come under ws* as well (such as CXF)
> >> >
> >> > 4. I don't suppose there is anyone with a secret (evil ;P) agenda of
> >> > becoming the member of two PMC's supporting the split. But as I
> >> > pointed out earlier ws has grown out of its bounds and its time we
> >> > split things up for the sake of managing the complexity. Who we put as
> >> > the chair is a different question and hopefully would be selected the
> >> > democratic way (or by just looking at the mail count :D)
> >> >
> >> > For my final conclusion I am in support of this proposal.
> >> >
> >> > Ajith
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Paul Fremantle <pzfreo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>  Though given Paul's and other people's response.
> >> >>>
> >> >> Dims, my response was a light-hearted comment on the situation, and
> >> >> made no reference to whether or not Axis2 should be a TLP. I'm sorry
> >> >> if you took it in a way it wasn't meant to be taken, but I certainly
> >> >> wasn't making any comment against the proposal. I am in favour of
> >> >> making Axis2 a TLP, and I'm surprised if anything I have said led you
> >> >> or anyone else to think otherwise.
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Paul Fremantle
> >> >> Co-Founder and CTO, WSO2
> >> >> Apache Synapse PMC Chair
> >> >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
> >> >>
> >> >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
> >> >> paul@wso2.com
> >> >>
> >> >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Ajith Ranabahu
> >> >
> >> > Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its
> >> > creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain
> >> > too little falls into lazy habits of thinking - Albert Einstein
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
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