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From Glen Daniels <>
Subject Re: What's next for WS@Apache? Discuss.
Date Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:54:27 GMT
Hi Sanjiva,

Sorry for the late reply.

On 4/17/2010 3:37 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Glen, your proposal amounts to having gone thru a lot of pain to have
> simply TLPed Axis. The entire board prerogative was to break up WS
> wasn't it? 

My interpretation was that it was more "WS is too big" than "WS should
entirely go away".  There are plenty of other projects at Apache that have a
reasonable number of subprojects, with related functions and development
communities.  I'm not yet convinced that there is sufficient community around
some of the individual subprojects to bootstrap a happy PMC, and there also
may be good reason to keep some of these things together.

I think reducing WS from >17 subprojects in a two-level container down to a
single-level container for 6 common Web Service related components would be a
pretty good accomplishment... and nothing prevents that from being an
intermediate step towards spinning off further TLPs down the road.

I'm not saying I'm -1 to more TLPs, by the way, just exploring my
off-the-cuff impressions.


> I'd prefer to make a bunch of new TLPs - give people a chance to grow
> into new roles as well. All the ones you listed as "keep" should be TLPs
> IMO. There is no "minimum size" required to be a TLP.
> Sanjiva.
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Glen Daniels <
> <>> wrote:
>     Hey y'all,
>     So as per my earlier mail to the dev lists, we need to talk about...
>     * Which subprojects should be promoted to TLPs?
>     * Which subprojects should be migrated to the Attic?
>     * What should the structure look like for what remains?
>     Here's what we've got to work with.
>     1. Axiom (commons)
>     2. Neethi (commons)
>     3. XmlSchema (commons)
>     4. Tcpmon (commons)
>     5. Guththila (commons)
>     6. JaxMe
>     7. jUDDI
>     8. Scout
>     9. Muse
>     10.Woden
>     11.WSIF
>     12.WSS4J
>     13.XMLRPC
>     Let's talk Attic first.  It seems WSIF and Muse have been pretty much
>     inactive for some time now, so I'd propose we get the ball rolling with
>     proposals to Attic both of those.  JaxMe also seems ripe for the Attic.
>     I think that it's pretty clear jUDDI and Scout should migrate
>     together to a
>     new TLP, Apache jUDDI, with Kurt as chair.  Thoughts?
>     Does anyone outside of Axis2/C use Guththila?  If not, I'd suggest that
>     migrate to Axis.
>     Is there enough activity on XMLRPC to keep it alive?  Jochen?
>     Personally, I'd probably prefer to leave Axiom, Neethi, XmlSchema,
>     and Tcpmon
>     as subprojects of WS.  I'd like to get rid of the "commons" layer,
>     though,
>     since I think the "new" WS project should itself be a set of
>     commonly useful
>     WS components.  I know other ideas have been discussed for the
>     commons stuff,
>     so let's start that discussion and get the various opinions out on
>     the table?
>     That leaves Woden and WSS4J.  Maybe Woden should stay in WS?  As for
>     WSS4J,
>     I'm not sure if it should stay or become a TLP.
>     So... what do you guys think?
>     Thanks,
>     --Glen
>     P.S.  Reminder - please fill out your sections of our board report
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> -- 
> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> Founder, Director & Chief Scientist; Lanka Software Foundation;
> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;
> Member; Apache Software Foundation;
> Director; Sahana Software Foundation;
> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;
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