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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: Welcome to
Date Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:28:48 GMT
It should also be noted that Dan asked if the community felt that we
needed a separate commit list, and the decision not to have one was
provisional. We can have one now.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Andreas Veithen
<> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:29, Lars Schnoor <> wrote:
>> It wasn't my intention to insult people, but my experience has shown that
>> people are more likely to react to direct statements. So I apologize to
>> those that felt insulted.
>> My use of the word SPAM was meant with respect to the amount messages
>> received and the fact that they are of no interest to me, just like SPAM is.
>> I am and have been on a number of mailing lists but not one has managed to
>> send 29 messages about commits in only ONE minute.
> These message were caused by a single commit that updated the Axiom
> site after the 1.2.10 release. This is standard procedure in ASF
> projects that generate their sites using Maven. However, in most
> cases, the number of updates is so high that the SVN notification is
> suppressed. This happened for the 1.2.9 release [1]. One may indeed
> wonder if it is reasonable to send full SVN commit notifications
> consisting of 29 parts (it seems that the limit is 50 parts), but we
> don't have control over that (at least I think). It should be noted
> that this happens with a frequency that is of order of once per year.
> [1]
>> My use of the word professional was meant with respect to merging the lists
>> without asking the people affect beforehand (there was at least nothing on
>> the XML-RPC list) and after a couple of days asking if it was a mistake and
>> when people answer that is was ignore that.
>> Sagara, no, not redoing the change but undo the change, or at least remove
>> the XML-RPC list from the merger.
>> I assumed that the mailing lists were intended to serve as communication
>> channels among people involved. The flood of unsubscribes should have shown
>> that people aren't very happy about this merger and every unsubscribe means
>> one less possible contributer. To me it sounded like there was a lack of
>> contributers and how many contributers do you think you will get by having
>> them bombarded with messages?
>> On 04-11-2010 09:26, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Daniel Kulp<>  wrote:
>>>> The BEST model to look at is the commons project at Apache.   They have
>>>> very
>>>> diverse set of sub projects and have been very successful at being able
>>>> to
>>>> provide adequate oversight on all the projects.   How do they do it: they
>>>> MANDATE that there are not separate dev lists for each project.
>>> It is also the best example of a mailing list with an extremely bad
>>> ratio between noise and content, at least for me.
>>>> If the traffic about a particulare subproject grows enough to overwelm
>>>> the
>>>> rest of the projects, that's usually a sign that it's ready to spin out.
>>>> Thus, if you don't like it, start participating with XML-RPC, submit
>>>> patches,
>>>> foster ideas, etc.... and help it grow to a point where it's ready to
>>>> graduate.
>>> XML-RPC is most likely not a project which will grow. It is in
>>> maintenance mode and has been just that for a couple of years. It is
>>> extremely unlikely that you have a chance to attract interest for the
>>> ws project under its contributors / users, unless they move their
>>> professional interest, which would be an event unrelated to either
>>> projects.
>>> Jochen

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