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From Andreas Veithen <>
Subject Re: Welcome to
Date Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:00:52 GMT
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:29, Lars Schnoor <> wrote:
> It wasn't my intention to insult people, but my experience has shown that
> people are more likely to react to direct statements. So I apologize to
> those that felt insulted.
> My use of the word SPAM was meant with respect to the amount messages
> received and the fact that they are of no interest to me, just like SPAM is.
> I am and have been on a number of mailing lists but not one has managed to
> send 29 messages about commits in only ONE minute.

These message were caused by a single commit that updated the Axiom
site after the 1.2.10 release. This is standard procedure in ASF
projects that generate their sites using Maven. However, in most
cases, the number of updates is so high that the SVN notification is
suppressed. This happened for the 1.2.9 release [1]. One may indeed
wonder if it is reasonable to send full SVN commit notifications
consisting of 29 parts (it seems that the limit is 50 parts), but we
don't have control over that (at least I think). It should be noted
that this happens with a frequency that is of order of once per year.


> My use of the word professional was meant with respect to merging the lists
> without asking the people affect beforehand (there was at least nothing on
> the XML-RPC list) and after a couple of days asking if it was a mistake and
> when people answer that is was ignore that.
> Sagara, no, not redoing the change but undo the change, or at least remove
> the XML-RPC list from the merger.
> I assumed that the mailing lists were intended to serve as communication
> channels among people involved. The flood of unsubscribes should have shown
> that people aren't very happy about this merger and every unsubscribe means
> one less possible contributer. To me it sounded like there was a lack of
> contributers and how many contributers do you think you will get by having
> them bombarded with messages?
> On 04-11-2010 09:26, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Daniel Kulp<>  wrote:
>>> The BEST model to look at is the commons project at Apache.   They have a
>>> very
>>> diverse set of sub projects and have been very successful at being able
>>> to
>>> provide adequate oversight on all the projects.   How do they do it: they
>>> MANDATE that there are not separate dev lists for each project.
>> It is also the best example of a mailing list with an extremely bad
>> ratio between noise and content, at least for me.
>>> If the traffic about a particulare subproject grows enough to overwelm
>>> the
>>> rest of the projects, that's usually a sign that it's ready to spin out.
>>> Thus, if you don't like it, start participating with XML-RPC, submit
>>> patches,
>>> foster ideas, etc.... and help it grow to a point where it's ready to
>>> graduate.
>> XML-RPC is most likely not a project which will grow. It is in
>> maintenance mode and has been just that for a couple of years. It is
>> extremely unlikely that you have a chance to attract interest for the
>> ws project under its contributors / users, unless they move their
>> professional interest, which would be an event unrelated to either
>> projects.
>> Jochen

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