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From Jason van Zyl <>
Subject Re: logging
Date Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:37:29 GMT
On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 14:44, Daniel Rall wrote:
> [moving discussion to dev list]
> Jason van Zyl <> writes:
> > On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 16:28, Miguel DeAvila wrote:
> > > It would be helpful if the xmlrpc package supported logging via log4j rather
then printing to System.err ...
> >> 
> >> thoughts?
> >
> > If anything we should probably think about moving towards using the
> > commons logging package.
> This would be very useful, but again raises the question of how to
> deal with external dependencies.  Many users are using the client code
> from an applet (I assume that no one is using the server?), and extra
> downloads (like most things) are always a PITA from applets.  Building
> the external dep's code into the XML-RPC JAR is not a good idea, as it
> leads to conflicts and LinkageErrors, the cause of which are very,
> very difficult to debug (especially in apps which use multiple JARs,
> some of which come from different class loaders).

The commons-logging jar is pretty small, I think ~20k, and it will use
it's standard SimpleLogger if no real logging implementations are
present. I think this is bearable and would definitely make logging
easier and more flexible.
> - Dan

Jason van Zyl

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society

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