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From "David Remy" <dr...@bea.com>
Subject RE: JAM - JSR 175 under jakarta commons?
Date Fri, 11 Jun 2004 04:49:32 GMT
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Patrick,
> 
> I have added a blog entry with my question/situation
> (http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/). Basically We need an attributes
> package for implementing JSR 181: Web Services Metadata. The caveat
> being we need at least some of the functionality of JSR 181 available
> on JDK 1.3/1.4 as well. 

I was thinking that jsr 181 was depenend on jsr 175 and that jsr 175 
required jdk 1.5 language features.  Is that wrong?  

> That rules out APT which is only with JDK
> 1.5. "spin up a new project" with duplicate functionality is not
> new...we have commons-httpclient and commons-collections to do stuff
> already in JDK. So dont worry about that.  

+1, it seems like we would just want to be sure in doc or readme to let
users know there may be a jdk based alternative.
    
> 
> Can you please help us by reviewing JSR 181
> (http://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/edr/jsr181/index.html) and
> help us decide if JAM will work for us? 
> 
> Thanks,
> dims
> 
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:27:18 -0700, Patrick Calahan <pcal@bea.com>
> wrote: 
>> 
>> Hi.  Sorry for the delayed response.  So, I think moving JAM to
>> Jakarta would be fine with everyone, but what we are trying to sort
>> out is how JAM relates to the APT tool which Sun recently announced
>> for JDK 1.5: 
>> 
>>   http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/apt/index.html
>> 
>> Have you guys had a chance to look at it?  Do you think it could meet
>> your needs instead?  It seems to have at least some overlap with JAM,
>> and we just want to make sure that we don't want to go off and spin
>> up 
>> a new project that doesn't provide any value-add over something that
>> is already going to be in the JDK.
>> 
>> Having read over that document, I do have a few as-yet unanswered
>> questions about it:
>> 
>> - Does it support both class and source files?
>> 
>> - Do you have to let them drive?  AFAICT, you have to invoke the APT
>> command line tool; there doesn't seem to be an invocation API.
>> 
>> - Can it be used for general-purpose reflection?  The docs say that
>> it 
>> can, but it's not clear to me how you do this, given that the
>> callbacks are keyed on annotations.  For example, I don't see how you
>> would do reflection on a class that has no annotations at all.
>> 
>> This may be just my failure to understand the tool correctly, though.
>> I'm curious to know if you have more insight.
>> 
>> -p
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:davanum@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:10 AM
>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
>> Cc: Cliff Schmidt
>> Subject: Re: JAM - JSR 175 under jakarta commons?
>> 
>> Usually silence means assent...looks like everyone agrees to move JAM
>> to Jakarta commons :) :)
>> 
>> -- dims
>> 
>> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:58:40 -0400, Davanum Srinivas
>> <davanum@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Patrick, Team,
>>> 
>>> Looks like the JAM API still inside xmlbeans...Is there a plan to
>>> move it to say jakarta commons? we'd like to use JAM to help us
>>> with our JSR 181 Implementation.
>>> (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=108573692307144&w=2).
>>> Specifically to be able to support JDK 1.4/(1.3?) and not just
>>> tiger (1.5).  
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> dims
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
>> 
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