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From Noah Campbell <noahcampb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: XMLBeans ready to exit incubation?
Date Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:18:04 GMT
Thanks for the feedback Cliff.

Jira as the Todo list is great.  I use it at work for the very same
purpose.  I didn't want to accuse BEA of any behind the scene
discussion.  The discussion is quite good...I'll make more of attempt
to jump in if there is a lack of clarification.

+1 for what it's worth :)

Noah

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:52:59 -0700, Cliff Schmidt <cliff@bea.com> wrote:
> 
> Noah Campbell wrote on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:07 AM:
> 
> > Since I saw the presentation at eWorld, I was eager to participate
> > however I found the external facing documentation is a bit sparse and
> > the TODO list is pretty weak.
> 
> I assume you aren't referring to the TODO list that simply for incubation,
> as opposed to the issues and bugs in JIRA.  IMO, JIRA should be the TODO
> list that drives development, although we could probably do more.  We
> also have an FAQ and a growing number of "mini-specs" to help people get
> figure out enough to be able to make useful contributions.
> 
> > I'm curious how the project is run at
> > BEA?  Is a gap between XMLBeans the "BEA team" vs XMLBeans the "Apache
> > project" and if so is that due to BEA members communicating and short
> > circuiting the community all together.
> 
> I think, for the most part, each committer tends to have one or two
> areas that they focus on (like Eric's work on the store, or Dutta's
> interest in investigation of XQuery options).  The short circuiting
> you are referring to is something BEA folks are very sensitive to not
> do -- we're not all perfect at it, but we try to have all discussions
> on these public lists.  If it ever appears to you that we've made
> some behind-the-scenes decision, you should call us on it; but I don't
> expect that will happen very often.
> 
> > Apache may have had the foresight to see that a certain level of
> > committer diversity indirectly strengthens the communication around
> > the project.  If this is the case, then XMLBeans needs to make sure
> > they have the required number of committers before it can leave.
> >
> > If I remember correctly, one more committer was needed.
> 
> Now that the Incubator community is reconsidering the 50% rule, we
> are no longer in the position where we need one more non-BEA person
> just to leave the incubator.  Under the 50% rule, we had two choices:
> 1) rush the normal process of adding this last committer, since all
> other exit criteria was complete, or 2) remain in the incubator for
> as long as it takes to bring on a committer through the typical
> process. IMO, neither of these options were the right thing to do.
> 
> > I would love
> > to volunteer to the project and hopefully get committer status but
> > I've been hovering around the sidelines because I can't tell what
> > needs to be done.  Maybe I'm missing the point because I'm not a
> > committer anywhere else so please point me in the right direction.
> 
> I'm sure everyone would love to help you to start contributing to
> the project, and we need to have another discussion (probably on a
> different thread on the dev list) about what you're interested in
> and what would help push XMLBeans forward.  However, becoming a
> committer is something that we would discuss more after you (or
> anyone) has made a sustained series of contributions to the project.
> 
> > XMLBeans is a great product.  I look forward to v2.
> 
> that's great to hear!
> 
> > On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:50:09 -0700, Cliff Schmidt <cliff@bea.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:46 PM:
> >>
> >>> Understanding that "BEA has absolutely no intention of dropping
> >>> support of the XMLBeans project", do you feel that XMLBeans is ready
> >>> to leave the Incubator, or would it benefit from further stay?  How
> >>> do others in the community feel?
> >>
> >> Hey Community (-dev and -user list folks),
> >>
> >> We've been talking on the incubator general list about criteria for
> >> exiting the incubator, and Noel posed the questions above.  We're
> >> all reconsidering whether it really is necessary to have a rule that
> >> states that no one organization can have more than 50% of the initial
> >> committers, as long as there are at least three independent voices
> >> and the community seems to be working out.
> >>
> >> IMO, XMLBeans has been going pretty well, especially in the last few
> >> months.  We've gotten a lot of outside contributions, the committers
> >> have been pretty responsive to the user community, and we've
> >> diversified the committer list over the last few months.  While I
> >> think we could go further in these directions, I feel like XMLBeans
> >> is ready to request graduation from the incubator for two reasons:
> >> 1) XMLBeans is a good example of an Apache project and well on its
> >> way to being even better -- in other words, "good for Apache".
> >> 2) XMLBeans no longer needs the incubator community to figure out
> >> how to build a community and figure out logistic issues.
> >>
> >> So, these are just my opinions, but I'm hoping to hear from others
> >> out there (particularly the non-BEA members of the community).
> >>
> >> Are we ready to leave incubation?
> >>
> >> Cliff
> >>
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