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From "robertlazarski ." <>
Subject Re: Axis move to the Attic (was: Board concerns over Axis project reports - README)
Date Wed, 11 Oct 2017 23:09:17 GMT
I was waiting for Andreas Veithen to reply since he is by far the most
active contributor to Axis2 currently.

I have a vested interest in Axis2 going forward as its used extensively by
the company I work for. The CVE questions that come up periodically with
Axis2 and its dependencies are essential for the project to continue, and I
don't expect being in the attic will allow Axis2 to be used in production

I have been a committer to Axis2 since 2006. I contributed the Spring
Framework support to Axis2, ported the SOAP Monitor from Axis1 to Axis2,
and wrote some docs explaining both of these and also the Ant commands.
This was all years go.

Since then I did respond to some recent security questions regarding the
SOAP Monitor, and I do help on the user list around once a month.

>From my perspective, we have at least 3 active members as we have had
several releases this year already. No problems voting. Because of any
CVE's I always run the latest version and dependencies, so I do test the

The main problem as I see it, is no one has stepped up to take over the
monthly Apache board reports as required for the Axis2 project. I am not
sure I am the right person for it, though it doesn't seem hard.

As stated, I am hoping Andreas Veithen can share his thoughts.

Kind regards,

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Davanum Srinivas <> wrote:

> +1 from me (Axis->Attic). Lot's of good memories :) Thanks Shane.
> -- Dims
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Shane Curcuru <>
> wrote:
> > (bcc: general@, c-dev@, board@ for FYI)
> >
> > Since there hasn't been any response to the below email by any PMC
> > members (or indeed any community members), it may be time Axis to go to
> > the Apache Attic, and turn the entire project read-only.
> >
> > To be blunt: if there are not three active PMC members to ensure that
> > the board has quarterly reports and the project could vote on a
> > potential security release, my estimate is that the board will move the
> > entire Axis project to the Attic no later than the November board
> > meeting, possibly earlier.
> >
> > I strongly urge any PMC members or even committers on the project to
> > step up, propose a new PMC chair, and work on a report for the board
> >
> > ---- Some perspective on why board reports are important ----
> >
> > In the governance model at the ASF the board delegates responsibility
> > for managing projects to PMCs. To enable to board to provide oversight
> > across the foundation, the the PMCs aretasked with providing the board
> > with a quarterly report on the health of the project. The board has
> > noticed that the reports for XXX have been missed for a number
> > of months.
> >
> > The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but all
> > PMC members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> > submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> > submit the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out
> > to
> >
> > Please ensure that a report for XXX is submitted to the board for the
> > next meeting.
> >
> > If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period of
> > time it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair
> > does not mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and
> > interests change, and rotation is good as it allows more people to
> > become familiar with that role. Again, if assistance is required with
> > this process, please feel free to reach out to
> >
> > As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> > reduces to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache,
> > projects reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members
> > providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in the
> > attic [1].  If XXX has reached this point, please reach out to the Attic
> > project to arrange transfer. On the other hand, if your project is
> > mostly dormant but still has at least three active PMC members it can
> > stay in that state for as long as needed. If your project is in such a
> > state, please mention that in your report and verify the PMC's state at
> > regular intervals.
> >
> > Finally, if you have any questions please feel free to reach out to
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> > On 2017-09-20 10:31, Shane Curcuru <> wrote: > (Note
> > mixed private/public lists)
> >>
> >> The ASF requires that any Apache project have at least three somewhat
> >> active PMC members - such that they can do things like review patches,
> >> and in particular vote to release a software update in case of security
> >> issues.  To verify that Apache projects are still operating by ASF
> >> policies, the board requires that each PMC provides a report of activity
> >> and project health each quarter.
> >>
> >> It's clear there's still some contributors wanting to work on Axis, but
> >> lately, it's equally clear from watching the lack of acceptable reports
> >> to the board that the PMC as a whole is not working out.
> >>
> >> I strongly urge all PMC members still listening here to work out among
> >> yourselves a plan to 1) choose a new project chair and recommend them to
> >> the board ASAP and 2) engage with the contributors still here to review
> >> their work and keep the project moving forward.
> >>
> >> If the PMC (and/or committers on the project) can't show some obviously
> >> organized energy at project management, then perhaps it's time for the
> >> project as a whole to consider moving to the Attic soon.
> >
> > --
> >
> > - Shane
> >
> --
> Davanum Srinivas ::
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