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From Andrei Mikhailovsky <and...@arhont.com>
Subject Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
Date Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:20:05 GMT
Sorry, will do 

----- Original Message -----

> From: "Nux!" <nux@li.nux.ro>
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 1:10:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?

> Andrei,

> There's a thread "LTS Releases" in the dev list, we should continue
> this discussion there.

> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!

> Nux!
> www.nux.ro

> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrei Mikhailovsky" <andrei@arhont.com>
> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 13:02:00
> > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?

> > +1 for the LTS releases. Majority of falks in production needs to
> > have a stable
> > release.
> >
> > I agree that it will make the release cycle more complex, however,
> > if the result
> > will improve the stability of the product i think it's worth the
> > extra hustle.
> >
> > Also, it might improve the release times as current releases are
> > often delayed
> > by many months!
> >
> > I want to see the CloudStack as the rock solid cloud platform
> > rather than a
> > bloated oversized sponge full of holes. I am sure a lot of people
> > will agree.
> >
> > Andrei
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: "Erik Weber" <terbolous@gmail.com>
> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 10:21:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >
> > Those who wants the new features? Those who're not running
> > production?
> > Labs?
> >
> > I agree that the idea isn't bulletproof, and might not even be
> > possible
> > with the way things are, but I do like the thought of LTS.
> >
> > Erik
> >
> > On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 10:51:32 AM Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> >
> >> Erik,
> >>
> >> It will complicate release management and it will also attract
> >> most of the
> >> users.. who will tests the rest of the releases?
> >>
> >> However as someone who is using CentOS instead of Fedora, I do
> >> like the
> >> idea. :-)
> >>
> >> Would be interesting to hear ideas from some of the more hard core
> >> devs on
> >> this.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> >>
> >> Nux!
> >> www.nux.ro
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Erik Weber" <terbolous@gmail.com>
> >> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 09:34:53
> >> > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >>
> >> > How about a LTS version (basically what 4.3 currently is) that
> >> > undergoes
> >> > longer testing and receives bugfix releases for a certain amount
> >> > of time?
> >> >
> >> > This is not a true proposal, just venting the idea. I'd even say
> >> > that new
> >> > features would have to be in one normal release before it's
> >> > included in a
> >> > LTS release.
> >> >
> >> > One drawback is that it most likely complicates release
> >> > management.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Erik
> >> >
> >> > On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 2:06:40 AM Nux! <nux@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Slightly pissed at the "switched to Openstack" remark.
> >> >> Using Openstack as a means to "force/suggest" new features into
> >> >> ACS is
> >> >> silly. I also want KVM snapshotting to happen, but I think
> >> >> there are
> >> more
> >> >> important things to fix first.
> >> >>
> >> >> In my personal view, I wish ACS stopped completely development
> >> >> on new
> >> >> features for a while and made the current features rock solid.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know we need new features to keep developers happy who would
> >> >> otherwise
> >> >> slit their veins from boredom, but I personally do not care
> >> >> that much
> >> for
> >> >> S3 compatibility or SDN or what not. When my deployment will be
> >> >> large
> >> >> enough to need that I'll probably have enough money to develop
> >> >> them
> >> myself
> >> >> (and contribute them back).
> >> >>
> >> >> Most people do not need FreeIPA or who knows what other bells
> >> >> and
> >> whistles.
> >> >> I do like Openstack, I know & like some people involved with it
> >> >> and I
> >> >> use(d) it (was even a mod on the RDO forum), but I don't want
> >> >> the bloody
> >> >> kitchen sink in my servers. I want peace of mind and reliable
> >> >> services
> >> for
> >> >> my customers who also don't give a rat's arse about said
> >> >> features; all
> >> they
> >> >> want is their application or site to work 24/7.
> >> >>
> >> >> Personally I want everything that we have NOW fixed, polished;
> >> >> usage
> >> stats
> >> >> working (with SG zones), proper backup and restore of volumes,
> >> >> security
> >> >> groups finalised (hello IPv6, it's almost 2015!), no silly GUI
> >> >> mistakes
> >> or
> >> >> typos in new releases and so on.
> >> >>
> >> >> Competing with Openstack head on is a dead end, stop chasing!
> >> >> Everybody
> >> >> pushes all sorts of stuff into it which takes a lot of time,
> >> >> effort and
> >> >> money to get working, if at all.
> >> >> Average Joe will not use that in production, just like he won't
> >> >> use
> >> >> Gentoo, Fedora or Archlinux in production, it sucks; you use
> >> >> battle
> >> tested
> >> >> stuff like CentOS or Ubuntu LTS.
> >> >>
> >> >> For Average "IT manager" Joe to be capable of using Openstack
> >> >> in
> >> >> production companies like Mirantis or eNovance need to take
> >> >> their time,
> >> >> freeze it, slow it the fsck down, polish it, decide which
> >> >> features
> >> can't be
> >> >> used actually (many, I bet!), package it in a sexy wrapping and
> >> >> then
> >> put it
> >> >> up for sale (or download).
> >> >>
> >> >> Basically they'll have to build a Cloudstack. We're already
> >> >> there! Sort
> >> of
> >> >> ... :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> /rant
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> >> >>
> >> >> Nux!
> >> >> www.nux.ro
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdingo@gmail.com>
> >> >> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >> > Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 22:15:40
> >> >> > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Sebastien Goasguen
> >> >> > <runseb@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Andrei Mikhailovsky
> >> >> >> <andrei@arhont.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Yes, agree! Proper snapshotting is a must and an essential
> >> >> >> > part of
> >> the
> >> >> >> cloud in my world. Having this feature broken in KVM for
> >> >> >> many years
> >> is a
> >> >> >> big blow to CloudStack in my opinion.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I am already seeing on blogs and mailing lists people
> >> >> >> > switching to
> >> >> >> OpenStack because of this problem.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > there are many aspects of which cloustack is loosing ground
> >> >> > fast to
> >> >> > openstack. Even Ive moved away from CS due to deficiencies
> >> >> > such as the
> >> >> NFS
> >> >> > as secondary being required, vague support for open source
> >> >> > SDN such as
> >> >> > opendaylight, is another
> >> >> > while CS is nice and quite easy to install, and get working,
> >> >> > and
> >> being a
> >> >> > big XEN fan, CS made it clean and simply to deploy, however,
> >> >> > it does
> >> lack
> >> >> > some of the higher end features and configuration aspects
> >> >> > that are
> >> found
> >> >> in
> >> >> > openstack. Now while I
> >> >> > also find openstack to be very KVM aligned, as it requires a
> >> >> > client be
> >> >> > installed on XEN, where CS doesnt, Openstack has moved well
> >> >> > ahead in
> >> >> > storage and networking options, not boxing me in to high cost
> >> commercial
> >> >> > solutions. I will credit CS people
> >> >> > for great support in the past years over IRC, though lately
> >> >> > even that
> >> >> seems
> >> >> > waning, as as such there also seems to be more "commercial"
> >> >> > support
> >> for
> >> >> > openstack with the likes of mirantis, ibm, hp and others
> >> >> > pushing turn
> >> key
> >> >> > distros, open source some at that.
> >> >> > I did love the simplicity of CS and XEN as a configuration,
> >> >> > but felt
> >> the
> >> >> > lacking in areas of "integration" with other technologies.
> >> >> > Even
> >> openstack
> >> >> > is working to integrate the freeIpa system, and opendaylight
> >> >> > into the
> >> >> > options, and it works well with ceph, gluster,
> >> >> > and other storage systems. CS is simple, and in being that,
> >> >> > they are
> >> >> > loosing ground fast to the expansive capabilities openstack
> >> >> > is
> >> offering
> >> >> > with their latest release. I wish CS would expand their
> >> >> > horizons a
> >> bit,
> >> >> and
> >> >> > not appear so short sighted and narrow minded
> >> >> > when it came to its offerings and integration. I know if I
> >> >> > was running
> >> >> the
> >> >> > product line currently I would be aligning CS with all the
> >> technologies
> >> >> > becoming available, especially Software defined networking,
> >> >> > and
> >> software
> >> >> > defined storage. CS is great, but requires
> >> >> > a larger feature set, more integration and further vision on
> >> >> > trending
> >> >> > technologies, yet it is just damn simple to install CS and
> >> >> > XEN...... a
> >> >> big
> >> >> > win there for CS, though Fuel and Helion appear to be quickly
> >> >> > closing
> >> >> that
> >> >> > gap.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can you send links, I am curious !
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> thxs
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I hate to see people leaving CloudStack as I think it's
> >> >> >> > fantastic
> >> >> >> project and a really great community!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Andrei
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> From: "Andrija Panic" <andrija.panic@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 8:33:56 PM
> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> So no CEPH support fot Xen, and no VM snapshot for
KVM.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> So, should I shoot my self with gun or with the pistol,
> >> >> >> >> that is
> >> the
> >> >> >> >> question now :)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> thx folks
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On 24 November 2014 at 18:01, Adrian Lewis
> >> >> >> >> <adrian@alsiconsulting.co.uk>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> From what I've read there won’t be support
for Ceph in
> >> >> >> >>> Creedence
> >> >> >> >>> (Xenserver
> >> >> >> >>> 6.5) but it is on the cards for the following
release
> >> >> >> >>> (as should
> >> >> >> >>> NFSv4 and
> >> >> >> >>> a
> >> >> >> >>> Centos 7 dom0). There's a blog post from Tim
Mackey at:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> http://xenserver.org/discuss-virtualization/virtualization-
> >> >> blog/entry/beyond-creedence-xenserver-2015-planning.html
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> and a Youtube video with a few updates here:
> >> >> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFUkEfpXaQ
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> All looks promising but I'm impatient :-(
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.panic@gmail.com]
> >> >> >> >>> Sent: 24 November 2014 15:08
> >> >> >> >>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> THx Vadim - yes, I'm already using KVM with ceph
for
> >> >> >> >>> some time -
> >> >> >> >>> works fine
> >> >> >> >>> more or less :) thx
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:52, Vadim Kimlaychuk
> >> >> >> >>> <Vadim.Kimlaychuk@elion.ee>
> >> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> XenServer 6.5 (or 7.0) is not released yet.
You can
> >> >> >> >>>> download
> >> >> >> >>>> alpha of
> >> >> >> >>>> next release and try it, but it is definately
not for
> >> production.
> >> >> >> >>>> I
> >> >> >> >>>> haven't personally tried it because Cloudstack
does not
> >> >> >> >>>> support
> >> >> >> >>>> RBD
> >> >> >> >>>> storage type for XenServer yet. So you are
absolutely
> >> >> >> >>>> right --
> >> >> >> >>>> first
> >> >> >> >>>> we need to wait for XenServer to release
then we need
> >> >> >> >>>> to wait
> >> for
> >> >> >> >>>> Cloudstack to implement those changes at
backend.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> I have used Ceph with KVM hypervisor for
a short while.
> >> >> >> >>>> There
> >> >> >> >>>> were
> >> >> >> >>>> some points that I was not aware, but in
general it
> >> >> >> >>>> worked well.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Vadim.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.panic@gmail.com]
> >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:22 PM
> >> >> >> >>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> HI Vadim, thanks for info. That is what I
understood =
> >> >> >> >>>> but the
> >> >> >> >>>> new
> >> >> >> >>>> XenServer 6.5 or whatever the name, shoudl
be using
> >> >> >> >>>> kernel
> >> 3.10.x
> >> >> >> >>>> for
> >> >> >> >>>> dom0, so I guess even after that is supported,
we will
> >> >> >> >>>> need to
> >> >> >> >>>> wait
> >> >> >> >>>> some time for the CloudStack implementation
on this ?
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Thanks anyway
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:00, Vadim Kimlaychuk
> >> >> >> >>>> <Vadim.Kimlaychuk@elion.ee>
> >> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Hi Andrija,
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> For XenServer 6.2 it is not possible
yet. Look for
> >> >> >> >>>>> supported
> >> >> >> >>>>> SR-s
> >> >> >> >>>>> here:
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.2.0/1.0/en_gb/
> >> reference.html#ck
> >> >> >> >>>> _reference_storage_repository_types
> >> >> >> >>>>> Somewhere in internet I saw information
that RBD
> >> >> >> >>>>> support is
> >> >> >> >>>>> scheduled for the next major XenServer
release. Can't
> >> >> >> >>>>> find the
> >> >> >> >>>>> link
> >> >> >> >>>>> right away.
> >> >> >> >>>>> The problem connected to Ceph + RBD as
primary storage
> >> >> >> >>>>> for
> >> >> >> >>>>> XenServer is old dom0 kernel that does
not allow RBD
> >> >> >> >>>>> storage
> >> >> >> >>>>> type.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Regards,
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Vadim.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.panic@gmail.com]
> >> >> >> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:06
PM
> >> >> >> >>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> >> >> >>>>> Subject: Xenserver and CEPH ?
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Hi guys,
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> anyone running ZenServer with CEPH as
primary storage
> >> >> >> >>>>> ?
> >> >> >> >>>>> I read some info that there is support
for CEPH inside
> >> >> >> >>>>> XenServer
> >> >> >> >>>>> from last year - but since I never actually
tried this
> >> >> >> >>>>> - thus
> >> >> >> >>>>> the
> >> >> >> >>>>> question.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> --
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Andrija Panić
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> --
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Andrija Panić
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Andrija Panić
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Andrija Panić
> >> >> >>

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