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From Thorsten Scherler <>
Subject Re: Forms and maps
Date Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:37:59 GMT
On 04/18/2012 07:58 AM, wrote:
> Ciao Alberto,
> you'll probably right.
> What comes to Cocoon lifecycle, I don't get it. Has C3 anything in 
> common with C2 except the concept of pipelines? Can you do the same 
> things with it?
> When C2.2 was published, I fell off the wagon because of techical 
> differences. C3 knocked me out for good. If you think of the user 
> coming from C2.1 environment who has get used to utilize flowscript, 
> templates, cforms, xsp etc and think of him/her trying to get 
> accustomed in C3, I think the least one can say is that he/she will be 
> totally in a faint.
> I don't either get the eagerness for dumbing all the "good old" 
> techiques and frameworks. 

Well if you refer to avalon as good old framework, I think dropping that 
is the best thing that happened for c3. To use spring is using the de 
facto industry standard and I bet there are MUCH MORE people having used 
spring then avalon. Other then that xsp, cforms, ... are home grown that 
are only known by nerds and which never have reached to be a standard. 
Like other said in their responses the technology ecosystem is changing 
rapidly and e.g. cform is nightmare to understand, pain to extend and 
never had been really stable. Further it brings no benefit over using 
html5 forms and REST services for the ajax calls which is so much 
straight forward and ... de facto industry standard for web2 apps.

I migrated a couple of 2.1 generators and  transformer and it is not too 
complicated to migrate. Further the whole concept is still the same only 
details changed (e.g. validity and cache keys)

The limitation of c2.x had been Avalon all this years. In c3 we finally 
can use transformer as simple sax handler outside cocoon.

> Of course the general abandonment will halt the development but if you 
> think something like C2.1 and C2.2, I guess they will be useful for 
> years to go, if you are willing and capable of updating some parts by 
> your own.

Having worked with each version I see your point, but would strongly 
advice people to look into c3 when we release it in a stable version  
(hopefully in the next couple of month).


Thorsten Scherler<>
codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
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