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From Thomas Fischer <tfisc...@apache.org>
Subject RE: proposal for reorganizing the Torque site
Date Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:54:20 GMT
> First, I like the new overview details but IMHO the
> Torque "elevator speech" (i.e. how you describe a
> project/product in the time it takes to go 3 floors
> in an elevator) could use some editorial tweaking.
> Not exactly sure what, but maybe more towards how
> Torque makes code DB independent and programmer's
> life easier.  I'll give it some thought and make
> my suggestion here.

Please do. Db-independency is a good point, but please do not 
overemphasize it. Not all features of Torque work on all databases (we do 
not like to make promises but not keep them later)

> Second, I think that the How-To's are lost by being
> placed in the "All Components" area.  Ideally, they
> should be under the main Documentation section, but
> if it's hard, then maybe relabel the All components
> link to How-Tos or something that includes How-Tos
> in it.

Yes, I agree I am not too lucky with "all components". It is a bit 
difficult to find a common headline for the list of supported databases 
and the howtos for all components. That stems from a time when I still had 
some how-tos in the runtime. But now that they are gone, we could make two 
sections, one would be "howtos" and the other would be "supported 
databases". That is much better than the original suggestion.

> Next, I first thought that the Criteria How-To
> and some othere were missing and then I realized you
> had rolled them into the Runtime reference.. nice.
> One minor suggestion would be to add an "Overview"
> section to this.  Something that would set the
> context for all the other sections.

That would be the page "Torque 3.2 runtime -> reference". At the moment, 
this page just contains the table of contents. Any suggestions are 
welcome, maybe I'll have a go myself.

> Finally, just a minor thing.. should the order
> be Generator and then Runtime since that's the
> learning Torque order?  (Being an Ant user, I
> consider the Mavin plug-in as optional reading
> ...lol 8) ).

I'll put the runtime after the maven plugin. Thanks a lot for your 
suggestions, they are very helpful.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Fischer [mailto:tfischer@apache.org]
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:14 PM
>> To: torque-dev@db.apache.org
>> Subject: proposal for reorganizing the Torque site
>> Hi,
>> In the last months, I grew more and more uncomfortable with
>> the current
>> organisation of the Torque homepage, http://db.apache.org/torque.
>> The things I like least about it are
>> - when you change to a component of Torque (e.g. the
>> runtime), the menu on
>> the left hand side "jumps" and you cannot get back via the
>> menu to the
>> overview (you have to discover the links in the header)
>> - There is a lot of information scattered in the homepage,
>> but it is very
>> difficult to locate the information.
>> So I went for it and tried to design a new page organisation,
>> where the
>> issues above are resolved. The suggestion can be found at
>> http://people.apache.org/~tfischer/torque-docs/
>> Please have a look and write back whether you like the
>> reorganisation or
>> not. I have rewritten and reviewed a lot of information in
>> the runtime
>> (that was where the chaos was largest because that was once
>> our top-evel
>> page), but of course also the new site is not perfect (though in my
>> opinion it is loads better than our present site). I am
>> grateful for any
>> hint what is missing or wrong (e.g. I did not yet incorporate Greg's
>> suggestion for an ant user guide), but please also judge the general
>> concept.
>> Implementation Details:
>> The method to avoid the jumping menu is to create a "skeleton menu"
>> for the site which is incorporated in every component
>> (basically this is
>> the part of the menu where all items are closed) The disadvantage of
>> this is that it is very difficult to change that skeleton
>> after publishing
>> the site, so I tried hard to create a very general skeleton.
>> I had to create two new subcomponents of Torque for this. One is the
>> tutorial (which in my opinion should live in its own
>> component, anyway),
>> the other is docs-all-components where versioned docs which are not
>> attributable to a single Torque component (e.g. the database
>> howtos) are
>> located.
>> This is just a suggestion. I did not check in any of this to svn.
>>    I look forward to hear your opinion
>>      Thomas
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