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From Vitalii Diravka <vitalii.dira...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Drill Hangout tomorrow 08/21
Date Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:53:17 GMT
Hi Alex,

The issues pointed by you really exist. And using of HMS is still open
question.

The main goal is to make Drill Metastore API, which can be used for
different Drill data sources. Then to adapt current Parquet metadata cache
files mechanism to this API.
It will be the first implementation. The second one could be HMS.
Although it has limitations, it has also benefits: it is easy to leverage
it in Drill, a lot of projects already use HMS (Spark, Presto ...),
so for some users it can be a good choice for storing metadata.

Other implementations for Drill Metastore could be discussed (MetaCat,
WhereHow, new own implementation based on HBase/MapR-DB).


Kind regards
Vitalii


On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 7:04 PM Oleksandr Kalinin <alexka79@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Volodymyr,
>
> Just recalling on recent discussions in DEV list, it would be interesting
> to see if following topics are addressed in the Drill metadata management
> initiative:
>
> 1. Avoiding repetition of Hive mistakes (mainly relying on RDBMS)
> Just to substantiate this point of view from practical experience, and if
> we reflect on ambition to integrate and operate Drill in mission-critical
> environment, following aspects could be listed:
>   - Need of DBA support if cluster is subject to service level
> objectives/agreements, which is somehow remote from Hadoop world. Need of
> strong DBA skills if resulting DB workload is challenging in terms of
> performance tuning.
>   - Common RDBMS setups offer active-standby HA model. In secure
> environments, e.g. environments which are subject to PCI-DSS compliancy,
> that implies frequent OS patching and reboot (in reality every 30 days
> max), thus causing an additional coordination effort and service outage for
> duration of the failovers.
>   - Active-active HA clusters like Galera / Percona are free of above
> disadvantage, but require specific skill set which is not widespread in DBA
> community. Also they are sensitive to even disk IO performance across the
> cluster which may require additional hardware adjustment and IO isolation.
>   - Need of backup / restore mechanism, which is probably lesser of
> concerns
>
> 2. Bottleneck in foreman when performing initial metadata collection (and
> eventually pruning) on large amount of Parquet files
>   - From discussion in the mailing list it was not fully clear whether
> metastore will address it
>   - Or shall this discussion be continued outside of metastore initiative
> from your point of view?
>
> I hope it would be OK with you and Vitalii to share some thoughts on this.
>
> Thanks & Best Regards,
> Alex
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:50 PM Volodymyr Vysotskyi <volodymyr@apache.org
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I and Vitalii Diravka want to give the presentation with our ideas
> > connected with Drill Metadata management project (DRILL-6552
> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DRILL-6552>).
> >
> > We will be happy to discuss it and choose the right way for further
> > development.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Volodymyr Vysotskyi
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:35 PM Hanumath Rao Maduri <hanu.ncr@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The Apache Drill Hangout will be held tomorrow at 10:00am PST; please
> let
> > > us know should you have a topic for tomorrow's hangout. We will also
> ask
> > > for topics at the beginning of the hangout.
> > >
> > > Hangout Link -
> > >
> https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/event/ci4rdiju8bv04a64efj5fedd0lc
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Hanu
> > >
> >
>

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