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From Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: IEP-54: Schema-first approach for 3.0
Date Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:31:23 GMT
Hi Val,

Thank you for raising a discussion about this significant proposal!
The subject looks very significant and can greatly affect product
spirit and user experience.

While I generally think that schema-first is a good idea, I would love
to see a thorough approaches comparison section. As we know different
databases treat data schema differently. And each way has benefits and
drawbacks. Additionally to schemeless and schema-first approaches I
remember talks about "dynamic schema". I believe that we should
describe clearly why do we prefer one approach over others.

2020-09-01 3:11 GMT+03:00, Valentin Kulichenko <valentin.kulichenko@gmail.com>:
> Hi Denis,
>
> Generally speaking, I believe that the schema-first approach natively
> addresses the issue if duplicate fields in key and value objects, because
> schema will be created for a cache, not for an object, as it happens now.
> Basically, the schema will define whether there is a primary key or not,
> and which fields are included in case there is one. Any API that we would
> have must be compliant with this, so it becomes fairly easy to work with
> data as with a set of records, rather than key-value pairs.
>
> However, could you please elaborate on the relation between Ignite and ORM?
> Is there a use case for Hibernate running on top of Ignite (I haven't seen
> one so far)? If so, what is missing exactly on the Ignite side to support
> this? In my understanding, all you need is SQL API which we already have.
> Am I missing something?
>
> -Val
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 2:08 PM Denis Magda <dmagda@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Val,
>>
>> I would propose adding another point to the motivations list which is
>> related to the ORM frameworks such as Spring Data, Hibernate, Micronaut
>> and
>> many others.
>>
>> Presently, the storage engine requires to distinguish key objects from
>> the
>> value ones that complicate the usage of Ignite with those ORM frameworks
>> (especially if a key object comprises several fields). More on this can
>> be
>> found here:
>>
>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/DISCUSSION-Key-and-Value-fields-with-same-name-and-SQL-DML-td47557.html
>>
>> It will be nice if the new schema-first approach allows us to work with a
>> single entity object when it comes to the ORMs. With no need to split the
>> entity into a key and value. Just want to be sure that the Ignite 3.0 has
>> all the essential public APIs that would support the single-entity based
>> approach.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> -
>> Denis
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:50 PM Valentin Kulichenko <
>> valentin.kulichenko@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Igniters,
>> >
>> > One of the big changes proposed for Ignite 3.0 is the so-called
>> > "schema-first approach". To add more clarity, I've started writing the
>> IEP
>> > for this change:
>> >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/IEP-54%3A+Schema-first+Approach
>> >
>> > Please take a look and let me know if there are any immediate thoughts,
>> > suggestions, or objections.
>> >
>> > -Val
>> >
>>
>


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Best regards,
Ivan Pavlukhin

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