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From Jean-Baptiste Onofré ...@nanthrax.net>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Date Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:40:00 GMT
Hi Christian,

again, thanks for your feedback.

For the community aspect, you are right: let me add some section on the 
home page to show the community.

2. I think it's already do-able for non committers: they can propose 
PullRequests or patches. The drawback is maybe the documentation: how to 
contribute and it should be on the website.

3. Fully agree to invite Eclipse, OSGi Alliance, and other guys ! That's 
the purpose. For the organization, I gonna work on it (but we need 
sponsor and help first ;)).


On 11/12/2015 09:35 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> The visual design looks great and quite professional. It looks more like
> a company website though. So people might raise their marketing blabla
> shields on that optic.
> The current main message is also too abstract and too much like typical
> marketing speech. In any case the most important thing is that we need
> to followup marketing slogans
> with concrete little snippets and statistics that prove them.
> I also think we should focus more on the community aspect than the
> product on our site. In my opinion this is the main difference between
> open source and commercial offerings. We need to invite people to
> discuss and help.
> So I think some social network integration would be really important.
> For example we could show current tweets or a presentation/talk of the
> day. So people have some positive feedback if they promote karaf. We
> could also have a community member of the day or similar. People could
> add a picture and some text of how they use karaf. We could then show
> one of those profiles each day.
> 2.
> The new style for documentation looks great. On that side we should try
> to make it easier to work on the docs for non committers. So for example
> we could add a link on each page to the doc source on github. So people
> can easily edit the doc and submit changes as pull requests. So
> something like an "edit page" link like in confluence.
> 3.
> Meetups would be really great. I think we should also try to get some
> people from Eclipse and the OSGi alliance to join us. We really need to
> work on converging these communities.
> Do you already have an idea about a good place to meet?
> Christian
> On 12.11.2015 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
>> I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great
>> tool, but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
>> Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that
>> we deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge
>> step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware
>> and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf
>> areas.
>> In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
>> the following plan:
>> 1. More professional website
>> I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
>> website.
>> In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi.
>> The fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of
>> end users (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to
>> explain that Karaf is modern and multi-purpose container. More over,
>> with karaf-boot, it becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere"
>> paradigm platform.
>> So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
>> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
>>     http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
>> I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
>> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
>> 2. New guides/documentation
>> I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the
>> documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight
>> forward, providing recipes for users.
>> All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of
>> output on the Decanter guide:
>>     http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
>> All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
>> such look'n feel.
>> 3. Meetups
>> I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
>> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs,
>> and enthusiasts.
>> I will give you more details soon.
>> Thoughts ?
>> Regards
>> JB

Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Talend - http://www.talend.com

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