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From Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Next release of 2.0
Date Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:28:19 GMT
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm not sure what policy WRT binary and source compatibility we have in
> log4j 1 and 2. Over in Commons, if you break BC, in general, that means a
> package name change and a Maven name change, for example from
> o.a.commons.lang to lang3. This is using the Clirr report to check for
> errors. There are exceptions of course, usually if a public API changes but
> it is considered part of the implementation and not what a call site should
> use.
>

I forgot to mention, in Log4j, we have a more stringent requirement since
there are users of log4j and implementors of appenders. So some of the
log4j guts are necessarily public to allow Appender implementations to be
written.

Gary

>
> Gary
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think it makes sense to go through the existing bugs and find ones we
>> feel are critical and squash them before a final 2.0.
>>
>> Gary's right in the sense that adoption as a non beta means we will feel
>> resistance to significant changes.
>>
>> Maybe we should make it clear that Api changes may appear in 2.1 but not
>> 2.0.x?
>> On Jan 2, 2014 7:23 PM, "Gary Gregory" <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frankly, Gary, I don't understand the hesitation.
>>>> We started talking about a 2.0 GA release six months ago. Surely that
>>>> should have been enough time to familiarize yourself with the APIs and
>>>> raise any concerns.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that the 2.0 release is a big step but I also agree with
>>>> Christian that if unforeseen issues come up we can address them in upcoming
>>>> releases. (And if we find we've made a terrible mistake and need an API
>>>> change, then so be it...)
>>>>
>>>> How about everyone marks outstanding Jira tickets that they really want
>>>> to address before the 2.0 release (with the issue target version), and
>>>> release the 2.0 GA when these are all fixed?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, it's a volunteer community process, and we all have our opinions ;)
>>> I just stated mine is all.
>>>
>>> Feel free to call a vote when you see fit. It's all good.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What tweaks do you have in mind? API changes?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
>>>>>> grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why the caution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can have a 3.0, a 2.1 and son on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody expects we should stick forever with a version.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, we were releasing in beta for ages now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are the reasons you don't want a 2.0 stable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've got it backwards ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do want a stable 2.0. I, personally, am not 100% familiar with
100%
>>>>>> of the API and I am not sure that the API is stable. There are a
LOT of
>>>>>> _public_ APIs in Log4J. Once 2.0 is out, these are set in stone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are also a couple of tweaks I'd like to do. People are using
>>>>>> log4j now in beta form. Another beta/rc will not hurt. But once 2.0
is out,
>>>>>> we are set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Jan 2014, at 14:04, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Make it RC or another beta IMO. Once 2.0 is out you cannot unhinged
>>>>>>>> that bell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>>>> From: Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
>>>>>>>> Date:01/02/2014  02:46  (GMT-05:00)
>>>>>>>> To: Log4J Developers List <log4j-dev@logging.apache.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Next release of 2.0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am trying to find a bit more time to work on Log4j again.
 I see
>>>>>>>> quite a few issues that I would like to address and think
I will need about
>>>>>>>> 2 weeks to complete them so I am tentatively targeting the
middle of the
>>>>>>>> month for the next release.   The question in my mind is
whether the next
>>>>>>>> release should be 2.0-RC1 or just 2.0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph
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