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From Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: MessageLayout
Date Tue, 04 Apr 2017 04:01:09 GMT
I'm pretty sure you do, yes, though the async loggers do have less
reliability in theory due to more log messages being buffered in memory
before being written, so more messages could be lost in case of failure.
That's configurable to whatever level of reliability you want, though.

On 3 April 2017 at 22:40, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Matt. With the Flume appender, do I still need to use an async
> logger to get the best perf?
>
> Gary
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Clarifications: other than the file appenders, the flume appender is
>> probably the most reliable appender.
>>
>> And for the direct appender config, that's also with fully async loggers.
>> I've been considering putting together a small blog post about the most
>> efficient log4j2.xml configurations.
>>
>> On 3 April 2017 at 22:01, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Flume appender can persist messages within the same process to files
>>> before sending them to other agents. I don't think any other appender can
>>> guarantee that.
>>>
>>> Personally, I've been using direct console appenders lately and using
>>> graylog to slurp stdout on docker containers, but I'm not the one who set
>>> all that up. Either way, the most reliable way to log things outside of
>>> files is Flume.
>>>
>>> On 3 April 2017 at 19:45, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait a sec. A JMS provider can guarantee message delivery. How can
>>>> events be lost once they are in the provider? Are you saying that using an
>>>> async logger is 'unsafe' because the events in the ring buffer go away if
>>>> the JVM goes down?
>>>>
>>>> Ideally I want to publish and forget, with the publish part
>>>> asynchronous, call the API, and it returns right away.
>>>>
>>>> Is there no way to do that with our JMS Appender?
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What’s the point though when all you have to do is specify the pattern
>>>>> layout with “%m%ex{none}”?
>>>>>
>>>>> How can you do auditing with the async logger? You may lose events
>>>>> with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your use case is exactly why I wrote the FlumeAppender. It is very
>>>>> much like JMS but a whole lot faster and guarantees events aren’t lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. I want to post to JMS message objects I've serialized to JSON.
>>>>> All I care about is the message.
>>>>>
>>>>> I log these events to a specially named logger with a specially named
>>>>> marker. These are the only events that should be published to JMS (I
use a
>>>>> filter and the one marker). I am in charge of the message format and
it is
>>>>> consumed on the other JMS side by a specialized agent which I also control.
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW, I am using the Log4j infrastructure as the simplest way to send
>>>>> custom messages over to JMS. These are not traditional logging events,
>>>>> rather a kind of auditing system. I leverage the Log4j async logger as
>>>>> well. No need to deal with the JMS API.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, exceptions are swallowed and no newlines are rendered?
>>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>> What's the use case?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:30, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am considering a new layout called "MessageLayout" which would
be
>>>>>> synonymous with:<PatternLayout pattern="%m" />. Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> E-Mail: garydgregory@gmail.com | ggregory@apache.org
> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
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