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From Tammo van Lessen <tvanles...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: BPM ecosystem at Apache
Date Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:00:59 GMT

okay, first I agree that integrating and sharing code of multiple sub
projects into one repository with one build system makes sense and makes
integration, testing etc. easier. Although I think they should be
packaged separately (e.g. as mvn bundles and dists) as WSHT
implementations are probably also interesting for people not necessarily
interested in ODE. I think the Solr/Lucene guys did some similar merge.

Regarding umbrellas: No matter if it's called bpm.apache.org or
ode.apache.org, it will probably become an umbrella. I understand that
the ASF likes top-level-projects, but I personally find it very
difficult currently to find projects that are related, belong together
or are intended to be used together, simply because their names not
really suggest that they belong to a certain domain. That's why I
actually really like ws.apache.org or db.apache.org because I always
know what I can expect to find there.


On 07.06.2010 15:47, Rafal Rusin wrote:
> I think growing ODE is the way to go, because in the end, things will be
> integrated, which means a lot.
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gnodet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Last time I looked, umbrella projects were still frowned upon at the ASF
>> ...
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 15:32, Tammo van Lessen <tvanlessen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I'd like to raise a discussion about the ecosystem at Apache around ODE
>>> in particular and BPM in general.
>>> While ODE is getting mature and provides a stable BPEL execution, the
>>> BPM market is moving on, bringing up new languages (BPMN 2.0), new human
>>> task definitions (WSHT), new integrations (BPEL4People), new projects
>>> (Apache Hise), new adopters (JBoss Riftsaw), etc.
>>> I think it is time to discuss not only an adjusted road map for ODE
>>> (adding support for BPMN 2.0 and BPEL4People/WSHT) but also the BPM
>>> ecosystem at Apache.
>>> Apache Hise is currently under incubation and ODE is the sponsoring PMC.
>>> There may also be other BPM related projects that may want to find their
>>> home at Apache, but not necessarily under the umbrella of ODE, which
>>> would directly connect them with BPEL and/or process execution.
>>> I think we should think about founding a BPM umbrella PMC at Apache the
>>> can serve as the home of Ode, Hise, and whatever BPMish project that
>>> will come up in future. Honestly, this is yet just an uncooked idea, but
>>> I'd like to get your opinions on that. WDYT?
>>> Thanks,
>>>  Tammo
>>> --
>>> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
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Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de

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