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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
Date Fri, 04 Sep 2015 19:32:36 GMT
Thank you for your rapid response.
I assume 2015-09-08T16:00 is UTC+0100 (BST)?
I think there are two matters.
First, it would be very useful to know what the modifications to the “Application Choices”
table are, and also anything new with respect to differences concerning the International
Standards mentioned and also application differences.
Secondly, I am concerned that there are various advocacy and high-level claims that may be
inappropriate for the ASF and, consequently, Apache OpenOffice, to appear associated with.
 That’s a provisional observation.  Further discussion will occur here, I’m certain. 
Factors I think the Apache OpenOffice community needs to consider are 
1.  The mission of the ASF is “to provide software for the public good,” expanded on at
2.  As part of serving a public interest, the ASF also tasks itself and its project to operate
as good open-source citizens.  In particular, there are no claims or observations made about
the work of non-ASF projects and non-open-source projects of any kind.  The ASF does not speak
to the quality of International Standards, either.  I am certain individuals who participate
on ASF Projects have many views of their own about this.  As far as I know, the ASF does not
make that its business just the same.
3.  To the best of my knowledge, the Apache OpenOffice project has never made an auditable,
verifiable claim that its support for ODF 1.2 is “full,” although there are implementation-defined/dependent
and even unspecified features in the ODF 1.2 specification that could be identified in some
sort of Apache OpenOffice profile of its ODF 1.2 support.  I do not believe such a profile
is available at this time.
Those are my concerns.  We will probably be discussing them for a few days here.
I personally favor the technical activities of the ODF Plugfests and also the informational
activities of the Plugfest events.  The only issue is how sponsoring the “Open Document
Principles” booklet reflects on the AOO Project’s charge to operate with good will to
all software projects and focus on producing software, free to the public, as a public good.
-   Dennis
From: Stuart J Mackintosh [] 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:27
To:;; 'Roberto Galoppini' <>
Cc: 'Graham Taylor' <>
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
Do you have a hard deadline, and is that imminent?
Sorry that this came so late for you. As I am sure you understand, it takes time to muster
volunteer commitment so we are somewhat against the clock. There is an imminent deadline,
print will be finalised and sent Tuesday 08/09/2015 at 16:00.

Also, if there is some sort of draft that we can use for context, that would be helpful.
Yes, the 11th ODF Plugfest booklet titled "Open Document Format principles for Government
Technology" will follow a similar style and content to the booklet produced after the 10th
Plugfest and published on Document Freedom Day 2015 (downloadable from
), but updated to reflect the Dutch government involvement in the 11th plugfest and an improved
"Application Choices" table. 

An A3 poster copy of the ODF infograpic (downloadable from
) will also be printed and enclosed within the 11th Plugfest booklet, both printed in English
and Dutch.

The document and many translations make up the OFE ODF toolkit which can be found here:

I hope this helps inform you of our project.

Best regards,


PS Louis, thanks for the note.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Basil Cousins [] 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 08:12
To: Roberto Galoppini  <> <>
Cc: dev  <> <>; Stuart
Mackintosh  <> <>; Graham Taylor  <>
Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
The designers are pressing us hard.  I will put in Apache OO Logo
 provisionally. OK?
On 4 September 2015 at 15:37, Roberto Galoppini < <>

I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't commit to provide
you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort out a way to
manage this situation, though.
2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins  <> <>:
We need to close very soon.  When can you let me know about English
On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini < <> > wrote:
Hi Basil,
 Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only
my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community -
to sponsor the English version.
2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins  <> <>:
Hi Roberto,
Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice for
£100+VAT to cover the English Version.
Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open
Office or is there a more recent one?
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