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From Louis Suárez-Potts <>
Subject Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
Date Fri, 04 Sep 2015 21:05:06 GMT
Hi all,
(dropped the cc’d outside of AOO).

> On 04 Sep 15, at 15:32, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
> Stuart,
> Thank you for your rapid response.
> I assume 2015-09-08T16:00 is UTC+0100 (BST)?
> I think there are two matters.
> First, it would be very useful to know what the modifications to the “Application Choices”
table are, and also anything new with respect to differences concerning the International
Standards mentioned and also application differences.
> Secondly, I am concerned that there are various advocacy and high-level claims that may
be inappropriate for the ASF and, consequently, Apache OpenOffice, to appear associated with.
 That’s a provisional observation.  Further discussion will occur here, I’m certain. 

> I personally favor the technical activities of the ODF Plugfests and also the informational
activities of the Plugfest events.  The only issue is how sponsoring the “Open Document
Principles” booklet reflects on the AOO Project’s charge to operate with good will to
all software projects and focus on producing software, free to the public, as a public good.

Dennis, I can’t claim to be enamoured of your legalistic phrasing and parsing of whether
any endorsement of the leaflet would be in keeping with the ASF’s articulated (and tax sensitive)
mission. I appreciate your point, however. It is not a trivial observation and does merit
discussion, action, by the community. But the language is somewhat off-putting, or at least
it was with me. The blunter language of your last paragraph is much more to the point and
comprehensible. It’s something we in this community can work with. 

Note, our support of the plugfests has a long history, antedating AOO. "Support" does not
mean monetary; it means, here, a support of the cause of the ODF. Specific instances would
be Roberto participating as the AOO rep. last ODF Plugfest. (My prior participations were
under my own recognisance or as a member of Oasis; same for Rob, I think.)

If we, the community want to discuss supporting the leaflet, I’d suggest we get on it. I’d
like to set a deadline so that we can let Stuart know sooner than later.

I’d also like to learn if we are going to send someone to the event. As time drips into
the sewage of the past, the answer edges toward "no." :-)


> -   Dennis
> From: Stuart J Mackintosh [] 
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:27
> To:;; 'Roberto Galoppini' <>
> Cc: 'Graham Taylor' <>
> Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
> Dennis,
>> Do you have a hard deadline, and is that imminent?
> Sorry that this came so late for you. As I am sure you understand, it takes time to muster
volunteer commitment so we are somewhat against the clock. There is an imminent deadline,
print will be finalised and sent Tuesday 08/09/2015 at 16:00.
>> Also, if there is some sort of draft that we can use for context, that would be helpful.
> Yes, the 11th ODF Plugfest booklet titled "Open Document Format principles for Government
Technology" will follow a similar style and content to the booklet produced after the 10th
Plugfest and published on Document Freedom Day 2015 (downloadable from,
but updated to reflect the Dutch government involvement in the 11th plugfest and an improved
"Application Choices" table. 
> An A3 poster copy of the ODF infograpic (downloadable from
will also be printed and enclosed within the 11th Plugfest booklet, both printed in English
and Dutch.
> The document and many translations make up the OFE ODF toolkit which can be found here:
> I hope this helps inform you of our project.
> Best regards,
> Stuart.
> PS Louis, thanks for the note.
>>  -- Dennis E. Hamilton
>>    +1-206-779-9430
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Basil Cousins [] 
>> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 08:12
>> To: Roberto Galoppini <>
>> Cc: dev <>; Stuart Mackintosh <>;
Graham Taylor <>
>> Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
>> Roberto,
>> The designers are pressing us hard.  I will put in Apache OO Logo
>>  provisionally. OK?
>> Basil
>> On 4 September 2015 at 15:37, Roberto Galoppini <
>>> wrote:
>>> Basil,
>>> I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't commit to provide
>>> you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort out a way to
>>> manage this situation, though.
>>> Roberto
>>> 2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins <>:
>>>> Roberto,
>>>> We need to close very soon.  When can you let me know about English
>>>> version?
>>>> Basil
>>>> On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini <
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Basil,
>>>>>  Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here I'm expressing only
>>>>> my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want - as a community
>>>>> to sponsor the English version.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins <>:
>>>>>> Hi Roberto,
>>>>>> Great to be in touch.  I will ask Graham Taylor to raise an invoice
>>>>>> £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>>>>>> Can you let us have the address to be put on the invoice?
>>>>>> Shal we use the same logo as in the London version for Apache Open
>>>>>> Office or is there a more recent one?
>>>>>> Basil
>> [ ... ]
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