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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer
Date Sun, 08 Nov 2015 02:52:56 GMT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:pats@acm.org]
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 18:40
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer
> 
> I have finished my non-software project, so building AOO is now at the
> top of my project list.
> 
> I am working through the instructions, keeping a log of issues and
> difficulties I encounter.
> 
> One thought to consider: Is is possible that difficulty building AOO in
> one of the commonest desktop environments, 64-bit MS-Windows, is one of
> the reasons for difficulty attracting developers?

[orcmid] 
I share your suspicion, but I have no hard data other than my own reaction.

Now that there are the Visual Studio Community Editions, it is difficult to justify all of
the contortions there are between Cygwin's "file system" and the native system that the cl.exe
and related tools are going to be depended on from Cygwin.

I also note, but have been drawn away from it for other duties, that Windows batch scripts
will run just fine under Cygwin and those might be a better way to bridge even from CygWin
to the Microsoft tools and libraries.  (I worked this out with MSYS2 and it seems to work
just fine with CygWin too.)  Those batch scripts can then use the developer setups for paths
and whatnot and not mess with the Windows registry.  Which is to say, even if CygWin is used
for the overall build process, there are better ways to switch back and forth between the
Windows tools and the CygWin utilities used.
> 
> More and more developers are unfamiliar with Bash and similar shells.
> The requirement to use Cygwin is not going to stop me because I've been
> using UNIX-like shells for over 30 years, but I would much prefer to use
> an IDE.
> 
> Patricia
> 
> On 11/7/2015 9:32 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > Patricia,
> >
> > I am in constant despair of what it takes to use Windows to build a
> > Windows install of AOO, if only to confirm the build that was used in
> > a release.
> >
> > If you have succeeded, can you share your build parameters and
> > anything you learned about the instructions with regard to
> > dependencies that must be satisfied for the build to work?
> >
> > Since the Windows buildbot is not even running any longer, it is
> > apparently necessary to endure this gauntlet to even be able to test
> > anything.
> >
> > My beginners-mind is failing me on this one.
> >
> > - Dennis (aka orcmid@apache.org)
> >
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Shanahan
> >> [mailto:pats@acm.org] Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 03:11 To:
> >> dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Thinking of joining
> >> OpenOffice as a developer
> >>
> >> On 11/2/2015 2:33 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan
> >>> <pats@acm.org>
> >> wrote: ...
> >>>> "Install cygwin, 32bit version"
> >>>>
> >>>> Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit
> >>>> Cygwin already running on my 16 GB memory system.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build,
> >>> but
> >> as I
> >>> discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.
> >>>
> >>> How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise
> >>> Patricia? Do
> >> you
> >>> need any help or development ideas?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am still working through the instructions for getting ready to
> >> build - I have some other non-software projects that will take a
> >> lot of my time this week.
> >>
> >> By "Win64" do you mean any 64-bit MS-Windows system? If so, that is
> >> a very serious issue. I do development on a 64-bit Windows 8.1
> >> system. Has anyone successfully built on that OS?
> >>
> >> I am experimenting with installing Linux on other computers, but
> >> none of them has the compute power, memory, or monitor size for
> >> serious development.
> >>
> >>
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