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From "Keith N. McKenna" <keith.mcke...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Trying to re-generate the Documentation effort
Date Tue, 02 Jun 2020 16:40:16 GMT
On 6/1/2020 10:51 PM, F Campos Costero wrote:
> Peter - I regret that my suggestion came across as wanting to "boss people
> around". I was responding really to this comment earlier in the thread
>> Because all people who expressed interest expected they are told what
>> needs to be done where. They did not felt
>>
>> comfortable to figure that out on their own.
> 
> All I meant was that a solution could be to provide such people with
> concrete suggestions of what to do first. Of course that can take into
> account their interests, skill level and available time. I am sure lists of
> possible contributions can be helpful for them to make a decision and it
> would make sense to start with that. But the success rate of recruiting
> using the self-directed approach has been very low. I do not understand why
> providing the option for more guidance to those who want it is so
> objectionable.  I  expect that many people joining a project feel lost and
> would appreciate getting more direction at first. It would be natural for
> them to become more independent after making a contribution or two.
> 
> I hope Keith will express his opinion on this.
> 
I am fully in agreement with you on this not being a boss/worker
hierarchical approach but more of one of mentoring and guiding
volunteers into the "Apache Way." How that gets done is more of an
implementation detail that can be worked out and will most likely remain
a work in progress as new volunteers come forward.

Regards
Keith

> Francis
> 
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 5:42 PM Peter Kovacs <petko@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Am 02.06.20 um 00:23 schrieb F Campos Costero:
>>> I am not sure that this part of the process has to remain as it is.
>>>> Unfortunately that is not going to change a whole lot. Just as the
>>>> development effort is self directed so is the Documentation effort and
>>>> all volunteers are advised of that.
>>> If we can increase participation in the documentation work by having
>>> someone to assign tasks to others, that seems like a reasonable change to
>>> make. I am willing to take on coordinating the assignments if others can
>>> help create a reasonable list of tasks. To be clear, if someone wants to
>> be
>>> self directed, that would be great. If someone feels more comfortable
>> being
>>> given a task, having a specific person to contact for help and perhaps
>>> having a little checking in on progress, I can do that. I have no
>> training
>>> in technical writing. I took a quick look at DocBook and it does not seem
>>> conceptually difficult, so I can try to learn that. If someone can give
>> me
>>> a little help at first, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> I think there is a miss understanding. I do not believe that we should
>>
>> actively assign tasks and boss people around.
>>
>> Think of it as a suggestive list of where someone could do something.
>>
>> How it is organized, is not important.
>>
>> It could be a list on ta wikies discussion side. It can be a tasklist on
>> Jira, Bugzilla or mwiki, or cwiki.
>>
>> The Idea is to have "one" place where people can inform them selfs on
>> the existing consent.
>>
>> Just some Ideas where I tried to describe what we have to do in the
>> development section:
>>
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=301&projectKey=OPENOFFICE&selectedIssue=OPENOFFICE-76
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Improvement
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=67633711
>>
>> As you see it is unordered. And I am experimenting a lot. And I am
>> moving between Jira and Cwiki.
>>
>> But I am becoming better in being able to explain people what Issues do
>> we have where. And what could be an easier task to do and what is more
>> difficult.
>>
>> But I really believe that we should leave the choice what people do to
>> them.
>>
>>
>> And If you look around what I do is not new. MWiki is full of pages
>> where people describe what we should do and how. (That is the most
>> depressing part on the project, because it is all gobe, and give people
>> a tomb feeling.
>>
>> But at the same time you learn so much from their Ideas. If we can
>> standardize somehow these Ideas, and remove names. I think it would
>> lower the barrier in getting involved.
>>
>>
>> If you feel this is the right way, I invite you to figure a way. If you
>> want anything to be done on Jira, just give me a shout. I will create a
>> document component, and create a kanban board for you. No Problem.
>>
>> But you can also use whatever else we have, at our disposal.
>>
>>> If you are wondering who I am, I have been a moderator on the user forum
>>> for about 10 years.
>> That is really nice. There is so little exchange between the dev mailing
>> list and the support team.
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
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