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From Todd Volkert <tvolk...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Fwd: MODERATE for pivot-commits@incubator.apache.org
Date Mon, 04 May 2009 15:31:58 GMT
For those interested, check out
http://java.sun.com/javame/reference/apis/jsr118/, specifically the
javax.microedition.lcdui package.

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Todd Volkert <tvolkert@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1) It looks like J2ME has its own drawing API, distinct from Java2D
> (http://developers.sun.com/mobility/midp/articles/s2dvg/index.html).
> This is a big deal, since Java2D is core to Pivot.  We'd not only need
> a new theme with complete skins that used the other graphics API, but
> we'd need to abstract away the java.awt.Graphics2D objects that we
> deal in in a way that'd let us swap out graphics implementations on
> the fly.
> 2) J2ME doesn't have the AWT component classes either, so our display
> host system, which site on top of AWT components, would have to be
> abstracted away as well.
> This would be a big job, but like I said before, if we could make
> Pivot's story be "write your application once, and run it on the
> desktop, in the browser, or on a mobile device".... daaaamn.
> -T
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Greg Brown <gkbrown@mac.com> wrote:
>> Right. Unfortunately, J2ME != "J2SE lite". It doesn't include any of the AWT classes
that we'd need in order to run Pivot.
>> However, JavaFX also requires AWT, and I've heard that JavaFX Mobile is or will be
supported soon. It would be interesting to learn how they are doing that.
>> On Monday, May 04, 2009, at 10:33AM, "Noel Grandin" <noelgrandin@gmail.com>
>>>https://lwuit.dev.java.net/ seems to be a popular choice for deploying
>>>J2ME apps because it hides the multi-farious ways that devices differ.
>>>Todd Volkert wrote:
>>>>>> I think it is much smaller (binaries) than JavaFX and as I said
>>>>>> currently of slightly different scope. Does Pivot aims to be usable
>>>>>> JavaME (portable phones?).
>>>>> We'd love to see Pivot become available on mobile devices. However, this
is largely dependent on Java SE's availability on such devices. It's entirely possible that,
if JavaFX can run on a particular device, Pivot would also work there.
>>>> This could actually be a good way to increase Pivot's visibility and
>>>> marketing story (it being a relatively nascent project and all).  If
>>>> someone on this list is interested, it'd be very valuable to see what
>>>> barriers there are to running a Pivot app on a mobile device and how
>>>> we might address those barriers.  It's possible that we can address
>>>> them easier than Swing, Flex, or Silverlight, for example.

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