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From Mich Talebzadeh <mich.talebza...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What do I loose if I run spark without using HDFS or Zookeeper?
Date Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:13:46 GMT
Hi Kant,

I trust the following would be of use.

Big Data depends on Hadoop Ecosystem from whichever angle one looks at it.

In the heart of it and with reference to points you raised about HDFS, one
needs to have a working knowledge of Hadoop Core System including HDFS,
Map-reduce algorithm and Yarn whether one uses them or not. After all Big
Data is all about horizontal scaling with master and nodes (as opposed to
vertical scaling like SQL Server running on a Host). and distributed data
(by default data is replicated three times on different nodes for
scalability and availability).

Other members including Sean provided the limits on how far one operate
Spark in its own space. If you are going to deal with data (data in motion
and data at rest), then you will need to interact with some form of storage
and HDFS and compatible file systems like S3 are the natural choices.

Zookeeper is not just about high availability. It is used in Spark
Streaming with Kafka, it is also used with Hive for concurrency. It is also
a distributed locking system.

HTH

Dr Mich Talebzadeh



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On 25 August 2016 at 20:52, Mark Hamstra <mark@clearstorydata.com> wrote:

> s/playing a role/paying a role/
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Mark Hamstra <mark@clearstorydata.com>
> wrote:
>
>> One way you can start to make this make more sense, Sean, is if you
>> exploit the code/data duality so that the non-distributed data that you are
>> sending out from the driver is actually paying a role more like code (or at
>> least parameters.)  What is sent from the driver to an Executer is then
>> used (typically as seeds or parameters) to execute some procedure on the
>> Worker node that generates the actual data on the Workers.  After that, you
>> proceed to execute in a more typical fashion with Spark using the
>> now-instantiated distributed data.
>>
>> But I don't get the sense that this meta-programming-ish style is really
>> what the OP was aiming at.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Sean Owen <sowen@cloudera.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Without a distributed storage system, your application can only create
>>> data on the driver and send it out to the workers, and collect data back
>>> from the workers. You can't read or write data in a distributed way. There
>>> are use cases for this, but pretty limited (unless you're running on 1
>>> machine).
>>>
>>> I can't really imagine a serious use of (distributed) Spark without
>>> (distribute) storage, in a way I don't think many apps exist that don't
>>> read/write data.
>>>
>>> The premise here is not just replication, but partitioning data across
>>> compute resources. With a distributed file system, your big input exists
>>> across a bunch of machines and you can send the work to the pieces of data.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 7:57 PM, kant kodali <kanth909@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Mich I understand why I would need Zookeeper. It is there for fault
>>>> tolerance given that spark is a master-slave architecture and when a mater
>>>> goes down zookeeper will run a leader election algorithm to elect a new
>>>> leader however DevOps hate Zookeeper they would be much happier to go with
>>>> etcd & consul and looks like if we mesos scheduler we should be able
to
>>>> drop Zookeeper.
>>>>
>>>> HDFS I am still trying to understand why I would need for spark. I
>>>> understand the purpose of distributed file systems in general but I don't
>>>> understand in the context of spark since many people say you can run a
>>>> spark distributed cluster in a stand alone mode but I am not sure what are
>>>> its pros/cons if we do it that way. In a hadoop world I understand that one
>>>> of the reasons HDFS is there is for replication other words if we write
>>>> some data to a HDFS it will store that block across different nodes such
>>>> that if one of nodes goes down it can still retrieve that block from other
>>>> nodes. In the context of spark I am not really sure because 1) I am new 2)
>>>> Spark paper says it doesn't replicate data instead it stores the
>>>> lineage(all the transformations) such that it can reconstruct it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 9:18 AM, Mich Talebzadeh mich.talebzadeh@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can use Spark on Oracle as a query tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> It all depends on the mode of the operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you running Spark with yarn-client/cluster then you will need yarn.
>>>>> It comes as part of Hadoop core (HDFS, Map-reduce and Yarn).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not gone and installed Yarn without installing Hadoop.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the overriding reason to have the Spark on its own?
>>>>>
>>>>>  You can use Spark in Local or Standalone mode if you do not want
>>>>> Hadoop core.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Mich Talebzadeh
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> On 24 August 2016 at 21:54, kant kodali <kanth909@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What do I loose if I run spark without using HDFS or Zookeper ? which
>>>>> of them is almost a must in practice?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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