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From Austin Leahy <le...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Inappropriate web site
Date Fri, 28 Apr 2017 01:39:02 GMT
In this vein I would also change the side navigation from:

CDH Requirements

to

Requirements

in the long term if we have multiple walk throughs for different
distributions we can create subsections.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:35 PM Austin Leahy <leahy@apache.org> wrote:

> Thanks Jon!
>
> I agree and think you have articulated the complexities of the problem
> very well.
> For the record here is the exact phrase:
>
> *"This installation guide assumes that a cluster with HDFS is running
> CDH."*
>
> I think that we could probably tweak this slightly and get where we need
> to be.
>
> If I can get some +1's I will make a change and submit a PR to the
> asf-site branch that modifies this to read:
>
> *"This version of the installation guide has been validated for clusters
> with HDFS running CDH."*
>
> A
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:05 PM Jon Zeolla <JonZeolla@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Just for clarity, because it took a minute or two of clicking around, I
>> think this <http://spot.incubator.apache.org/doc/#cdh> is what is being
>> discussed here.
>>
>> As a member of the both the Spot and Metron communities, I can say that
>> simplifying or automating deployment and configuration of either of these
>> two projects is an extremely heavy lift.  At the same time, doing so is
>> essential to reducing the barrier to entry for new users and increasing
>> adoption.
>>
>> Minimizing the variability of the platform that either of these projects
>> run on top of is critical to actually getting them off the ground, which
>> is
>> why it appears they have both chosen a single platform to leverage and
>> haven't yet grown from there.  I could very easily see a point in the
>> future where either project has expanded beyond a single platform, and I
>> have in fact discussed this idea numerous times in the past.
>>
>> That said, I think the concern here is more focused on the perception of
>> commercial endorsements, not specifically using a branded but open
>> distribution of Apache software.  On that topic, I know very little about
>> the right way to approach documenting the fact that a certain platform is
>> assumed without appearing to be an endorsement.  I would be interested to
>> receive any guidance that the ASF can provide.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:20 PM Jonathan Natkins <natty@streamsets.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > It might be worth noting that the Apache Metron page is somewhat guilty
>> of
>> > this, as well. In their quickstart guide, they advertise a VirtualBox VM
>> > loaded with HDP: http://metron.apache.org/documentation/
>> >
>> > Their installation documentation also seems to indicate that they only
>> work
>> > with HDP 2.4:
>> >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/METRON/Metron+Installation+on+an+Ambari-Managed+Cluster
>> >
>> > If there's action to be taken with the Spot website, it may be
>> worthwhile
>> > to point the same thing out to the Metron community.
>> >
>> > Jonathan "Natty" Natkins
>> > StreamSets | Field Engineering Director
>> > mobile: 609.577.1600 <(609)%20577-1600> <(609)%20577-1600> | linkedin
<
>> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nattyice>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Austin Leahy <Austin@digitalminion.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think your point is fair.
>> > >
>> > > But I think that its also important to understand that as a community
>> > > driven project installation on CDH is currently the only install path
>> > that
>> > > has been validated.
>> > >
>> > > Until community members begin to test and install parts of the
>> platform
>> > > elsewhere it is important that they understand that the docs are
>> > explained
>> > > from a particular context. As someone who has installed several
>> different
>> > > versions of hadoop including CDH I would say that there are often
>> > > surprising side effects based on who's "best practice install" you
>> have
>> > > followed for your cluster.
>> > >
>> > > My meta question would be; is there a foundation requirement that
>> would
>> > > lead us to prioritize basic setup and configuration specifically on
>> the
>> > > apache sources? This would probably derail several of the current
>> > "install
>> > > & config" initiatives.
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:47 PM Ted Dunning <tdunning@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > (To avoid confusion, please note that I am speaking as just me here,
>> > not
>> > > a
>> > > > director, nor as VP Incubator)
>> > > >
>> > > > On the Spot incubating web site, there is a nav element on the left
>> > > labeled
>> > > > "CDH Requirements". That doesn't seem to me to be appropriate
>> because
>> > is
>> > > > looks like a commercial endorsement.
>> > > >
>> > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> --
>>
>> Jon
>>
>

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